Posted on 08/28/2022 8:21:41 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
...those camps were created and run by Germans.
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Only from a distance. The camps utilized allied personnel as guards and they also used kapos, who were themselves prisoners, to do the more onerous duties.
I grew up with survivors.
Jews fighting Jews. Dont care.
This notion that Ukrainians are against defending their country just makes you look even more ridiculous than you usually do. Not only does all polling and evidence on the ground show massive unity to fight the Russians, 90% expect to win the war.
So, again, you’re just shoveling a bunch of shit due to your personal problems
So you are in the same ‘camp’ with the fieldmarshal?
There is no ‘projection’. The fieldmarshal itself has said he’s there to waste people’s time rebutting it.
Shouldn't we be importing Ukes as advisors to help America's resistance against the deep state?
Having, as I wrote, read a bit about the Holocaust, I kind of know who built the camps, but thank you for pointing that out. Nonetheless, the description of the Ukrainians, men and women, who voluntarily acted as guards, is based on camp survivor’s testimony. Maybe deflect your anger at the Jewish victims who actually witnessed what you wish not to acknowledge, and direct it at those whose knowledge of history is as tenuous as yours.
I’m in the camp of not being suckered into tribal conflicts when the entire planet is being openly & malignantly manipulated by the Global Governance cartel.
I don’t know the poster in question. His ping list is convenient. I respond according to my own decisions.
I use language as judiciously as I can. I may descend to snark, on occasion, but I do try to avoid ad hominem. Sometimes I fail and that’s only on me. I post from research, personal knowledge and personal societal & historical observation. I edit and add sources where I can.
As a human, passion may inform a response, but I will usually refrain from posting if passion is all I can offer.
I see projection and I call it such. I try to rebut or amplify statements, not personalities, since this is a remote discussion forum and there’s no way to know anyone aside from the face value of the postings. I enjoy putting my thoughts into written form and I appreciate informed and well-considered posts, especially by those with both knowledge and the ability to articulate it. I’m here for discussion, not vitriol.
I know there is a huge admitted & concerted attempt on the part of WEF, Rockefeller, UN, DNC to field influencers and disruptors to all forums with the openly acknowledged goal of discouraging any critique of self-described *official authority*. I know there is also a contagion effect that multiplies such disruptions, for which I try to make allowances.
I am about making that coordinated attempt at disruption and division well-known so that everyone, including those loathe to speak out, can judge postings in that light.
Humanity and this planet are in a world of hurt. I have no time/patience for flame wars or *taking sides* when, for all I know, the posting I respond to is scripted, algorithmic, a psyop, or someone’s undigested dinner. I am conscious of the lurkers and speak as much or more to them than to the specific post.
I am organically contrarian. I have lived a long time and try to not be drawn into either unthinking, unqualified support or hatred for public figures. My major test of global events is “Cui bono?”
Trust no one and carry on.
I just look at it that it’s no longer anything but disruptive garbage sparking flamewars. It wouldn’t be tolerated if a bunch of Demonrats came on FR and pimped their candidates (tolerated at least beyond a single troll, a la MurryMom of long ago, just to poke fun at), so why is this ?
I mean, we do disseminate propaganda here, but we don’t tolerate the propagandists themselves, so that’s the difference.
The Sorosbot globalist warmongering crap-pushing trolls ? Yes.
Troof hurts, bra.
Why don't you share a source for that. There were probably some, just like the French who did the same thing, or the Dutch, or the Belgians, or the many other people who went along with the Nazis, or were too afraid to fight back.
In some cases, probably due to the Russian desire to blame anybody but themselves, the Russian POWs who ended up working for the Germans were mischaracterized as Ukrainians:
"Petro Mirchuk, who himself was a political prisoner in the Auschwitz camp, relates in his memoirs that he engaged in conversation with members of an auxiliary guard detachment in the second half of 1943: "To the extent of that I could determine, it was a unit comprised of representatives of various so called "Eastern peoples"-primarily Russians, Belorussians, Caucasians and others, and least of all Ukrainians, although for some reason the unit was officially called 'Ukrainian'"
The SS needed interpreters, just like our army did in Iraq and Afghanistan. Unlike our army the Germans recruited collaborators from their POWs, many of whom were from the Red Army who were fighting against them earlier.
A lot of terrible things happened in WW2. Trying to blame the people in Ukraine now for what happened then is about as reasonable as blaming French, German, or Japanese college students for WW2.
So says the lead Russian propagandist.
I want us to stay out of a civil war that is none of our business. Still waiting for ONE of you keyboard kommando cowards to go to Ukraine to fight, since it’s so deeply personal to you. But your 400-lb ass can’t put down the Twinkies and ho-hos and leave your mama’s basement.
Arizona Border Recon is always looking for qualified volunteers. And you can donate money to them if you want. They probably even take rubles.
It is fun to see how you can't answer simple questions, and have to rely on insults you gathered from other web sites. That gets you a D- in the propaganda posting classes.
Why aren’t you doing something about it ? You and your Soros trollbots won’t go to Ukraine to fight, the cowards that every last one of you is. When are you going to Arizona to stop the illegals, then ?
“A Train Near Magdeburg,” Matthew Rozell is one very reliable source. Read it if you dare. You seem to be bordering on something akin to Holocaust denial.
2nd reply: Consider the following:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_collaboration_with_Nazi_Germany
https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/ukraine-holocaust
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_Ukraine
https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250116253/inthemidstofcivilizedeurope (describes how far back in history does Ukrainian murders of Jews go)
Good Lord, son, get a grip and open your eyes.
Nothing of the sort. But I am able to discern how modern propagandists try to blame the current, living Ukrainians for things that happened in the Second World War. Not surprisingly the same people who are now blaming 20 year old kids in Ukraine for what happened in the 1940s are not blaming the kids in Japan, Germany, France, or Italy for what people from those countries did 80 years ago.
If modern Ukrainians are responsible for what happened in the 1940s then so are modern Germans, Japanese, French, and Italians. Are you condemning them also?
It is also important to understand that millions of Ukrainians were killed by Communist Russians along with the many Ukrainian Jews killed by the Germans. Ukrainian President Zelensky's own great grandparents and other relatives were murdered by the Nazis.
So why are you so focused on what happened in Ukraine, but don't seem to have the same concern for the Germans who caused the Holocaust, of the French government that rounded up Jews in France?
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