Posted on 08/27/2022 12:09:27 PM PDT by jdege
Your description of the current state of Japanese writing reminds me of the ancient Egyptians. Hieroglyphics contained all three elements.
What you think you are doing and what your brain is actually doing are not the same thing. You experience a gestalt that you assume is whole word recognition, but your brain is just that damn fast.
The ABC song was their lullaby, started on Hooked on Phonics when they were in kindergarten, Hands-on Algebra when they hit the third grade.
When I was a kid, my parents were always over my shoulder when it came to homework.
I really don't understand parent's apathy today. It's your kid!
Hooked on phentanyl.
Before I went on vaca in Japan I learned katakana, hiragana and kanji.
Came in very handy when driving in small towns. No Romaji there.
I was a Hardy Boys addict by the time I entered kindergarten.
I learned the alphabet from my father, who pointed to boldface letters in his magazines and asked me, "What letter is that?" It was a game. I learned to read by trying to read along with people who read to me, and then asked me to read back to them. If that was phonics, the people who taught me did not mention it. I think I just memorized the words as I encountered them. There was none of this "sound it out" business. As for words I did not know, I was given a dictionary when I was very, very young, and I used it.
It worked -- I had excellent grades and won spelling bees.
My first grade class started with the “Dick and Jane” series.
How many of those households have books in them? We always had bookshelves full of books. I still do, and my kids and my grandkids always see me reading. Different methods can work, but if reading isn’t demonstrated as a thing to be valued, it won’t be valued.
I was reading before I went to kindergarten.
Was learning to spell, too.
Then in first grade I had ITA.
What a mess. Screwed up my spelling for years.
And it wasn’t just me...
https://theliteracyblog.com/2015/05/14/i-t-a-a-great-idea-but-a-dismal-failure/
My daughter started reading around age 3. She graduated college last year with a degree in Nursing.
My elder granddaughter is an RN, too. BSRN Degree from Penn State. When she was 3 yrs old and in daycare at a lady’s home, I purchased a set of HOOKED ON PHONICS lessons and gifted it to the lady. So a bunch of kids besides my granddaughter learned to read by phonics in the years before that lady retired.
No, I don’t think its debatable. We learned what the words WERE. Even phonics uses sight words.
If you use phonics to say “phonics” you will most likely be incorrect...”puh-hon-iks”
“Eee. ahh ooh ah ah, ting tang walla walla bing bang”
Only if you were taught incorrectly. If you were taught actual phonics, and not an inane parody thereof, you would know that certain letter pairs indicate a distinct sound from either of the letters individually. Did you not know that?
You're trying to defend the indefensible. English (and, in fact EVERY European language going back at least to ancient Greek) is fundamentally phonetic.
I imagine most, but not all, of the teachers can pass the 3rd grade test. But how many can pass the 12th grade test? Probably around 50%.
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I can't address what you learned, I wasn't in your classroom.
I learned how the words were formed, how they were built, where they came from. It seems that your learning was a bit incomplete.
English is basically a phonetic language and with not many exceptions words are pronounced pretty much as written. The whole word method teaches reading the way Egyptian and Chinese are taught…memorizing word pictures. It makes no sense, but yet the look say method persists despite decades of failure.
My older brother and sister were taught reading with the look say method and both struggled with reading. I fortunately was taught with phonics. Our son was taught phonics by his first grade teacher. However, when our daughter had her as a first grade teacher, she was pressured to not teach the kids phonics. Big difference in my kids reading skills.
I think one of the reasons this failed look say method continues is the total lack of serious scholarship in EdD programs. Educational “scholars”, e.g. “Dr” Jill Biden, are clueless about evaluating outcomes.
China, Japan, Norway, Sweden, and countries with populations of the same race will always score better than countries with diverse populations. Diversity weakens the very fabric of a society.
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