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To: MalPearce

What changed for the better after Poroshenko is less violations of ceasefire. They weren’t at the level of hot war before. His departure didn’t move the political solution one bit. It is now clear that the Ukrainian forces were forward-deployed to attack Donbas in March this year. Ze stated before that he is not going to comply with the accords.

Okay, Serbs were wrong in their genocide against Turks, “genocide” is always wrong, although this take ignores previous crimes against Serbs.

Was Ukraine right to attack Donbas in 2014 and deny them autonomy after ceasefire?


41 posted on 08/27/2022 8:17:14 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

No they weren’t, and i wasn’t on Ukraine’s side in 2014.

Since 2019, things have been different, apart from some holdouts on all sides. Peace processes are naturally tough because of intransigence though... It’s no reason to throw in the towel and launch a military operation.

There were still skirmishes between paramilitaries for years after John Major kicked off peace talks. It was years before the loyalists disarmed fully. Even now there’s still the odd hardcore group trying to start the Troubles off. If we thought like Putin, we’d have funded the agitators and then invaded the Six Counties after a few years of de-escalation on the crap basis that a nonexistent genocide was about to kick off.


43 posted on 08/27/2022 11:48:29 AM PDT by MalPearce
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