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Why didn't Trump give the documents back when the National Archives first asked for them last year?
Hotair ^ | 8/25/2022 | AllahPundit

Posted on 08/25/2022 9:00:53 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: bigbob

“for the same reason that Clinton was able to avoid turning docs over to Judicial Watch.”

Are those the tapes they found in BJ’s sock drawer — or other docs?


81 posted on 08/26/2022 9:12:11 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Sometimes when you get to where you're supposed to be, it's too soon.)
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To: SeekAndFind

AllahPundit and Hot Air (Michelle Malkin) used to be respected until they caught a severe case of TDS.


82 posted on 08/26/2022 9:48:24 AM PDT by Old Coach1
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To: SeekAndFind

I DO NOT TRUST ONE WORD FROM WA-PO.


83 posted on 08/26/2022 10:29:34 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: freeandfreezing

I hope you are right about the SCIF. What you stated is quite logical. And Trump does have 24/7 security via the Secret Service.

But if there is any proof that it actually exists I haven’t seen it.


84 posted on 08/26/2022 10:36:17 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed.)
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To: SeekAndFind

FU Allahpundit. Dirtbag


85 posted on 08/26/2022 10:37:18 AM PDT by Gaffer (Infidel, and proud of it!)
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To: InterceptPoint
But if there is any proof that it actually exists I haven’t seen it.

The government is unlikely to admit the truth. Their affidavit claims that the facility is insecure, but their opposition to the release of it contends that releasing the document we just read would disclose information about the security of the Secret Service controlled facility.

Hard to reconcile statements like that normally indicate BS by the party making them.

Quick question. Do you think that a Secret Service facility itself has some kind of classified communications, access to codes, etc. or any other classified materials? I would suspect that they do.

86 posted on 08/26/2022 10:59:48 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: semimojo

just why do we believe the NARA press release


87 posted on 08/26/2022 11:17:25 AM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!you)
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To: freeandfreezing
Quick question. Do you think that a Secret Service facility itself has some kind of classified communications, access to codes, etc. or any other classified materials? I would suspect that they do.

It seems likely to me as well. At least to the SECRET level that only requires a safe.

Trump would need Security oversight of any classified material that he is holding. If nothing else, Trumps detailed travel plans are likely to be classified and that would logically be done by the Secret Service. And there may be cases where Trump is sent classified documents by the Government,

But I’m just guessing too. I don’t have any real info.

88 posted on 08/26/2022 11:27:50 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed.)
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To: Lower Deck
The National Archives has said that all Obama administration documents are in their custody.

Well according to George Orwell, that means they're not.

89 posted on 08/26/2022 11:33:27 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Hostage

A+++++++ All true!


90 posted on 08/26/2022 11:34:12 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: InterceptPoint

If Trump has an order that existed that declassified the information, then it isn’t classified anymore. Regardless of stamping, National Archives and what the partisan DOJ and FBI contend.

He was the SOLE classifying authority from which all delegation of lower authority is derived at the time for the information.


91 posted on 08/26/2022 11:36:56 AM PDT by Gaffer (Infidel, and proud of it!)
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To: Gaffer

If Trump has an order that existed that declassified the information, then it isn’t classified anymore. Regardless of stamping, National Archives and what the partisan DOJ and FBI contend.
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That’s true. They are unclassified but the process of redacting and marking up the documents can be a long process. And don’t forget: Many of Trump’s TS documents are not the only copies in existence. Other copies could be stored in SCIFs all over world and at sea. The declassification order covers all of them as well.

Not that this excuses the Biden Administration. They are sitting on their hands while contemplating new and cleaver ways to keep Trump from regaling the Whitehouse.


92 posted on 08/26/2022 12:13:27 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed.)
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To: InterceptPoint
They are sitting on their hands while contemplating new and cleaver ways to keep Trump from.......

And that is the key phrase. Keeping him from ... Nothing was done about Strzok, Paige, etc. Nothing was done about Mueller and the heads of the FBI, CIA and NSA protecting leftists trying to depose a sitting President. NOTHING! What they've done now is nothing short of the equivalent of the cowardly attack on Pearl Harbor and they have "Awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve."

93 posted on 08/26/2022 12:24:45 PM PDT by Gaffer (Infidel, and proud of it!)
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To: InterceptPoint
...but the process of redacting and marking up the documents can be a long process.

If the documents are unclassified then why would then be redacted or marked up? Nothing is secret so nothing should be hidden.

And don’t forget: Many of Trump’s TS documents are not the only copies in existence. Other copies could be stored in SCIFs all over world and at sea. The declassification order covers all of them as well.

Which means each and every document that Trump declassified is declassified wherever it exists. So all should be available to the media through FOIA requests.

94 posted on 08/26/2022 12:38:05 PM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: Louis Foxwell
Except the Nat Archives only control the material the President gives them. They cannot legally demand material from the Pres.

Except according to the law they can: "Upon the conclusion of a President's term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President."

95 posted on 08/26/2022 12:46:04 PM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: markman46
just why do we believe the NARA press release

Do you have a more reliable source?

96 posted on 08/26/2022 1:00:37 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: Hostage
Are all fed workers to be scorned? No, of course not. Standards were at one time so high that some of the best minds were in government service. But not now. The standards were lowered. Who lowered them? Can you say Obama? It started before Obama but his circle accelerated the decline and seeded all agencies with lefties while Soros concentrated on States.

FUNDAMENTAL TRANSFORMATION OF THE UNITED STATES was the 8-year seeding of the federal workforce with leftist ideologues.

Debra is part of the Swamp that will do what she is told and will "accommodate" her Woke Masters like Carolyn Maloney.

https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/2022-06-06.CBM%20to%20Steidel%20Wall-NARA%20re%20Trump%20Foreign%20Gifts.pdf

Excellent...

97 posted on 08/26/2022 1:16:07 PM PDT by GOPJ (Merrick's proud the DOJ & FBI are being renamed "Lavrentiy Beria Society' in honor of Joseph Stalin.)
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To: Lower Deck

If the documents are unclassified then why would then be redacted or marked up? Nothing is secret so nothing should be hidden.
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Redaction is a voluntary negotiation. Trump could say no. But there are times when even Trump believes that redactions are appropriate. Real Sources and Methods stuff.

Consider what happens when Trump declassifies a document that is in a safe on every Navy Ship. The only way those sailors will know the information is no longer classified is by marking it UNCLASSIFIED.

This is a very long standing process that is routinely done in the military, government agencies and defense contractors. It has nothing to do with Trump’s authority to declare a document declassified. It is just the normal bookkeeping process used to separated classified from unclassified information.


98 posted on 08/26/2022 1:28:53 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed.)
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To: AnthonySoprano

It would be nice if Trump just answered the fucking question.

Those documents don’t belong to him. Period. This is true for every President.

He whines like a three year old.

If he just followed the rules, and stopped obfuscating…his life would be a lot better.

It would be nice if his fan bois just did five minutes worth of research, and at least tried to understand the laws that apply.

When you get a subpoena, you give up the documents. Period. There is no privilige. There is no negotiation.

If he wanted these documents public, he missed his opportunity.


99 posted on 08/26/2022 1:40:51 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: Vermont Lt

No - you win the whiny Never Trumper medal for the day.


100 posted on 08/26/2022 1:42:51 PM PDT by antceecee
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