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Battle for Kyiv: Ukrainian valor, Russian blunders combined to save the capital
The Washington Post ^ | August 24, 2022 | Paul Sonne, Isabelle Khurshudyan, Serhiy Morgunov and Kostiantyn Khudov

Posted on 08/24/2022 8:35:04 AM PDT by Timber Rattler

A hail of shrapnel from kamikaze drones ripped through the tent where off-duty Ukrainian border guards were sleeping near a crossing with Belarus, three hours north of Ukraine’s capital.

Viktor Derevyanko woke to scalding pain, his body burning. Blood spilled from his hand as he tried to wipe his face. A piece of metal had traveled through his arm and stomach and into the muscle around his heart.

“I couldn’t get my bearings,” said Derevyanko, the deputy head of the unit. “Only on the third explosion did I manage to fall out of bed and try to find at least someplace to hide, because the explosions weren’t ending.”

It was around 4:15 a.m. on Feb. 24.

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If the Russians could seize the seat of power in Ukraine, or at least cause the government to flee in panic, the defense of the country would quickly unravel. Moscow could install a puppet government.

That was the Kremlin’s plan.

Instead, what transpired in and around Kyiv in the ensuing 36 days would represent the biggest foreign blunder in the 22-year rule of Russian President Vladimir Putin. His assault on the city instantly reordered the security architecture of Europe against Moscow and isolated his nation to a degree unseen since the Cold War. To the surprise of the world, the offensive against the Ukrainian capital would end in a humiliating retreat, which would expose deep systemic problems in a Russian military he had spent billions to rebuild.

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To: tlozo; All

Less than US doctrine requires

But then this has always been referred to as a Special Military Operation, not requiring full Russian mobilization. Many of the regular forces on the front are DPR and LPR, not Russian regulars still in reserve

Our guys don’t fight this way, never observed an operation like this in modern warfare. Consider how “we” took Belgrade, Baghdad …which are the standards being used to call Russia incompetent,

This study by a senior ( USMC) officer, “ Marinus’ , perhaps the most comprehensive objective analysis …made some waves, because it was actually published by the USMC, and because he makes the reader appreciate the Russian military planning…which “ we” in the West and certainly not in the Pentagon, are “allowed” to do. Goes against the official narrative, of simply “ Russia bad’

https://www.globalresearch.ca/senior-us-marine-corps-officer-expresses-admiration-revolutionary-way-which-russia-has-fought-its-war-ukraine/5789634


41 posted on 08/24/2022 10:10:43 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: achilles2000

Three regular brigades were at Perekop-Kherson in Feb 2022.

These plus those four from Lviv to Chernighiv were all that werent on the Donbas front - Izyum-Mariupol.


42 posted on 08/24/2022 10:11:33 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

You realize the Kherson front is heading west, and is now within 20km of Nikolaev?


43 posted on 08/24/2022 10:13:01 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: silverleaf; All

Marinus study of Russian campaign in Ukraine
Complete
https://www.imetatronink.com/2022/08/a-former-us-marine-corps-officers.html?m=1


44 posted on 08/24/2022 10:24:24 AM PDT by silverleaf (“Freedom ultimately means the right of other people to do things that you disagree with”. T. Sowell )
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To: silverleaf

A small advance at Kherson is the least you swine can expect from the large reinforcements Russia has sent there.


45 posted on 08/24/2022 10:27:37 AM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Timber Rattler

The Russians weren’t interested in Kiev. They are winning everywhere else and destroying the Ukraine army.


46 posted on 08/24/2022 11:20:48 AM PDT by forthedeclaration2
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Sure, sure, Russia sent some of its best troops and equipment to get bogged down on a two lane road surrounded by mud and get destroyed by drones and rockets for a month, just to “fake out” the Ukrainians who weren’t prepared for an attack to begin with.

Pure military genius!


47 posted on 08/24/2022 11:27:57 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: forthedeclaration2
The Russians weren’t interested in Kiev.

Rigggght...that's why they lost so much armor around it.

Russian tanks destroyed by Ukrainian ambush near Kyiv in dramatic footage

And had a 40-mile supply convoy running from Bucha outside Kyiv to the Belarus border...


48 posted on 08/24/2022 11:39:38 AM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: Timber Rattler

There’s propaganda, and then there’s self-evident truth. People can quibble about the details, but the thrust of this story is clearly true. Moscow wanted Kiev, and wanted a puppet government. It was the single most important part of their initial invasion, and failed utterly.


49 posted on 08/24/2022 11:43:13 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: yuleeyahoo

Because anyone who can read a map and look at troop columns could tell what they were trying to do. You don’t waste that kind of troop power for something unless it is very big.


50 posted on 08/24/2022 11:44:28 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: BenLurkin
The assault on Kiev did not fail because of globalists. The real military aid from the West didn't start arriving until after the assault on Kiev had essentially failed.

Whatever his other flaws, Zelensky rallied his people and his forces in a way that nobody expected. And those troops fought very well.

51 posted on 08/24/2022 11:46:19 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: forthedeclaration2
You can't be serious. It is inarguable that the Russians sent a huge relative weight of offensive power at Kyiv. Given the distances involved and their exterior lines of communication, it also makes zero sense for that to have been a feint.

Do you seriously think Putin planned to still be fighting in Ukraine 6 months later??

52 posted on 08/24/2022 11:49:35 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Timber Rattler
Look at the map and see who is winning the war. The forces that the Russians put around Kiev were a holding force to stop those forces from reinforcing the Ukrainian forces in the Donbast region.
53 posted on 08/24/2022 11:49:39 AM PDT by forthedeclaration2
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
The Russians seem to have been ready to fight a protracted war since they are using up a great deal of munitions and have a great deal on hand.. The Russians knew how tough the defenses were in the Donbast region, where the best Ukrainian troops were stationed and they have spent years building up their defenses. Wars often take longer then we think are going to. but the Russians are gradually wearing down the Ukrainian army, with a war of attrition. That land that the Russians have taken from the Ukrainians isn't going back.
54 posted on 08/24/2022 11:57:41 AM PDT by forthedeclaration2
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To: Timber Rattler
You don't think a nation that is winning the war cannot suffer tactical defeats? The issue is who has the initiative Unless the Ukranian forces can launch a massive counter offensive that throws the Russians back, they are gradually going to be whittled down including losing their last port of Odessa.
55 posted on 08/24/2022 12:02:15 PM PDT by forthedeclaration2
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To: forthedeclaration2
Look at the map and see who is winning the war.

Uh...that would be the Ukrainians.

56 posted on 08/24/2022 12:04:55 PM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: Timber Rattler

What map are you looking at? The Russians are in control of most of the Donbast region. And that is even what the Ukranian maps are showing! The Russians are heading to take Odessia.


57 posted on 08/24/2022 12:10:52 PM PDT by forthedeclaration2
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To: Boogieman

—> just to “fake out” the Ukrainians who weren’t prepared for an attack to begin with.

Sure got Ukraines eye off other areas


58 posted on 08/24/2022 12:11:08 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: forthedeclaration2

The Ukie war cheerleaders need to face reality, the Ukies have lost the war. Vlad liberated 30 percent of Ukraine, and he is not giving any territory back.
He needs to throttle up and take Odessa, then the corrupted fairy land of Ukraine can be carved up in accordance to its historic ethnic population.


59 posted on 08/24/2022 12:14:52 PM PDT by delta7
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To: forthedeclaration2
The Russians seem to have been ready to fight a protracted war since they are using up a great deal of munitions and have a great deal on hand.

The Russians had tons of ammo on hand because they had crap-tons left over from the Soviet days, not because they made a bunch for this invasion.

On the flip side, they've ended up having far fewer tanks than they needed because, unless ammo, tanks in storage degrade pretty quickly is not given regular preventative maintenance, and of course guarded from theft. There have actually been a few T-62's spotted, and those things were first produced more than sixty years ago.

The other argument against them having expected this kind of war is the manpower shortage. They made no real effort to increase recruitment, consider conscription, etc.. As a result, they are pretty much out of trained reserves.

What they do have are a bunch of tubed artillery, which degrade slower than tanks in storage, and ammo for those guns. So, rather than the rapidly-moving columns of tanks and APC chewing up miles in a rapid advance, they're stuck lumbering behind massive artillery barrages. Which, in addition to being a very slow way to advance, destroys much of what you are trying to annex.

The Russians knew how tough the defenses were in the Donbast region, where the best Ukrainian troops were stationed and they have spent years building up their defenses.

They lost a ton of equipment and a lot of their special/elite forces trying to take Kyiv. Paratroops in particular.

Wars often take longer then we think are going to. but the Russians are gradually wearing down the Ukrainian army, with a war of attrition.

Not this kind of conventional, land-grab war. The closest modern analogy is the Iran-Iraq war, which Iraq started thinking it could quickly grab some disputed territory during the Iranian Revolution, and instead found itself in a quagmire that lasted for years. But all the other modern wars apart from that have seen rapid movement, and ground changing hands quickly because that's what modern weapons enable.

That land that the Russians have taken from the Ukrainians isn't going back.

I don't know how this ends, and Russia likely is going to keep some of what it gained. But I'd definitely take bets that they're not keeping Kherson. One city on the wrong side of a river isn't sustainable. It may take awhile, but they're not keeping it long-term.

60 posted on 08/24/2022 1:27:48 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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