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1 posted on 08/24/2022 6:44:29 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Daily Mail propaganda. Tired of Daily Mail propaganda pushed on this site 24/7.

The super long titles are designed for propaganda purposes.


2 posted on 08/24/2022 6:51:03 AM PDT by dforest
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Images of the scene. Did it show a head rolling and body parts all over the place? Inquiring minds need to know.


3 posted on 08/24/2022 6:54:46 AM PDT by HighSierra5 (The only way you know a commie is lying is when they open their pieholes.)
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Here’s a short item on Darya Dugina who is certainly not the monster portrayed by some and who was certainly on Zelensky’s hit list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jxiJqVvA2k


4 posted on 08/24/2022 6:55:09 AM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX!)
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Ukraine’s account

Ukraine’s president Zelensky has now declared that Natalia Shaban-Vovk is ‘not a Ukrainian citizen’ and is ‘not in Ukrainian territory’.

But even prior to his announcement, Kyiv had strongly denied having anything to do with Dugina’s death.

And information put out by Kyiv and uncovered by various pro-Ukraine sources disputes key parts of Russia’s narrative.

A spokesman for the Azov battalion told Ukrainian media that Natalia had never served with them - because there are no women soldiers in their ranks.

The source added that the ID card shown off by the FSB is actually for the National Guard, and would not be carried by an Azov soldier.

He said pencil marks on the ID show it was invalidated because the woman had married and changed her last name.

The soldier speculated that the invalid ID had been placed in archives of Ukraine’s national guard in Mariupol - a building Russia now occupies - and had been uncovered by their troops and manipulated for propaganda purposes.

Internet sleuths also claimed to have uncovered evidence that the picture on the ID had been manipulated.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram accounts also uncovered what appears to a profile revealing that Natalia’s first husband - identified as Andrey Vovk - had links to pro-Russian rebels in Donbas.
Ukraine claims Natalia’s ex-husband, Andrey, was actually a pro-Russian sympathiser who tried to organise a sham referendum in Donbas after Putin’s last invasion

Ukraine claims Natalia’s ex-husband, Andrey, was actually a pro-Russian sympathiser who tried to organise a sham referendum in Donbas after Putin’s last invasion

Andrey, whose identity appears on a database tracking Ukrainian ‘traitors’, is accused of helping to organise a sham referendum on breaking away from Ukraine.

All of which suggests, though does not prove, that Natalia may have harboured sympathies with Russia more than with Ukraine.

Proekt also uncovered inconsistencies in social media accounts.

According to Danil Shaban’s Vkontakte page he was born in the year 2000, which would make him 22 years old. And according to the FSB, Sofia Shaban was 12 years old when she came with her mother into Russia two months ago.

Pictures of Natalia on social media show her with two children - a boy and a girl - who both bear a striking resemblance to her and to each-other, but who appear to be a similar age rather than 10 years apart.

Further, the site claims the advert for the Mini Cooper was posted the day before the blast and that a video on Danil’s TikTok shows him driving a similar vehicle in Kyiv on August 16 - when Natalia was supposed to be with the car in Moscow.
Darya Dugina

The conflicting accounts of Natalia’s true identity further muddy the waters of an already murky case, with sources suggesting the bomb was the work of disgruntled Russian elites targeting Putin’s inner circle or an FSB ‘false flag’ operation.


6 posted on 08/24/2022 6:57:51 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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Not only that, the young woman was the likely target as she was an activist


9 posted on 08/24/2022 7:07:15 AM PDT by dila813
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

I never did get an answer to my open question. Multiple times. From anybody. At least answers that made a whiff of sense.

National humility in the US is so far in the red that provoking a war 4000 miles away, and then losing it, might actually do us some good.

This entire situation stems from failure to adhere to the terms of Minsk. Ukraine, France, Germany, signed the agreement and it was ratified as a UN Resolution. Here it is. US State dept. pretends it doesn’t exist.

https://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/%7B65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9%7D/s_res_2202.pdf

None of the parties did a damn thing about it, in fact, Ukraine for eight years was built up as a US/NATO launching pad for weapons aimed at Russia. US backed forces have been shelling Donbass the entire time. Russia complained and warned about this repeatedly for a long time and now we’re surprised and indignant they’ve decided to stop talking and fight.

Just because things are not spoon fed by Fox and Friends does not absolve anyone from ignorance.


10 posted on 08/24/2022 7:11:31 AM PDT by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with an ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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So much for another collaborator!


14 posted on 08/24/2022 8:28:56 AM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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The child is not thought to have sustained life threatening injuries

Never heard of a selective car bomb before.

21 posted on 08/24/2022 2:36:07 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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This thread has been brought to you by George Soros.

For all your globalist warmongering needs, turn to George Soros. (also sponsored by Pfizer)


28 posted on 08/24/2022 5:13:26 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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29 posted on 08/24/2022 5:13:54 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (America Owes Anita Bryant An Enormous Apology)
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https://twitter.com/IssandJumal/status/1561781504975540225

1/5 SECOND LOOK: "Azov batallion ID" presented by FSB, as basic online forensic tools see it. Forensically reveals the quality time the photoshop artist spent with clone tool, due to some darn fine pattern. #dugina #UkraineWar #FSB #fake"

(He's being sarcastic on the FSB quality control here)

https://twitter.com/IssandJumal/status/1561781520343482373

4/5 Fake it till you make it. Forget those fine tricks for cutting someone's face from background. Good ol' eraser tool with soft edges is faithful like a tractor.

If the ID is legit, why did the FSB have to fake it and edit it so badly?

They just took some ID from a archive from occupied Ukraine, did some cheap editing, and put it out as the perpetrator's and a politically expedient cover story.

The question is, why bother?

38 posted on 08/24/2022 8:16:29 PM PDT by Widget Jr (Disobey your television.)
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People complain of “Daily Mail propaganda”, yet they visit every Daily Mail thread and post how tired they are of the propaganda.


55 posted on 08/25/2022 9:49:06 AM PDT by libh8er
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