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To: elpadre

Zelnesky said he would not negotiate with Russia until they leave his country. Erdogan forgot to mention that fact.


12 posted on 08/19/2022 11:44:21 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......Augustine)
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To: caww

The Donbass and Crimea are not his anymore. Those areas declared independence, had a vote about it and are getting new passports even.

The sooner he recognizes that, the sooner he can adjust to the new reality.

The fact that the idiot wanted to make Sevastopol a NATO navy base and ethically cleanse the Russian speakers in the east, including with artillery is why he is in this mess.
Zelensky ran on a platform of ending the Ukrainian war in east and won by 70%.
But when he gave that order, the nazi militias in the east refused, literally to his face to remove artillery and pull back. They said he would be hanged from a tree on Kraschatik Street in Kiev if he tried.

Captain T-shirt is only nominally in control.

They need to drop this revanchist idea that they are going to take the Donbass and Crimea. They overplayed their hand and now it’s over.


17 posted on 08/19/2022 11:54:16 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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