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Truth Matters And Never More So Than With the Mar-a-Lago Raid: The only possible way that Trump could have possessed classified documents would be if he removed them AFTER Biden was inaugurated
American Thinker ^ | 08/19/2022 | Ted Noel

Posted on 08/19/2022 7:33:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

With the bungled raid on Mar-a-Lago by Voldemort Garland’s minions, we must turn off the valve on his gaslight and blow away the stench being spread by the lamestream media. To do this, we must unequivocally declare that words actually have meanings. As John Adams said at the Boston Massacre trial, “Facts matter, and facts are stubborn things.”

Bill Clinton’s famous prevarication of, “It depends on what the meaning of  ‘is’ is” notwithstanding, the Supreme Court has made it abundantly clear with Heller, McDonald, Dobbs, and Bruen that the meanings of words in law are those that the authors of the law would have understood, not some later permutation preferred by the Left. That’s why we should question the Lawfare blog’s insistence that “The FBI has clearly developed significant evidence of criminal activity at Mar-a-Lago related to the handling of classified material, and government property more generally.”

Lawfare’s take is not surprising given that it is a lefty organization. But inquiring minds want to know the Truth. And no, I’m not talking about Trump’s social media organization that still doesn’t have a web app. I’m talking about the word “truth” and what it actually means.

Image: Trump and Melania leave the White House. YouTube screen grab.

“Truth” is a verbal representation of what is or what has happened. Truth does not care whether you believe it or not. It will not argue with you. It will simply hit you between the eyes when you ignore or deny it enough times. For example, if you have no income and you keep spending money, eventually your credit card will be rejected. It’s not complicated; it’s just a fact. It’s not my truth or your truth.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: classified; fbi; maralago; raid
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1 posted on 08/19/2022 7:33:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

VERY INTERESTING........


2 posted on 08/19/2022 7:35:57 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: SeekAndFind
It is the truth. In this vein, we must consider the seizure of documents from Mar-a-Lago. There are four classes of material.

The first is the simplest. Donald Trump works at Mar-a-Lago while he’s there, so he has created work-related documents. Those are properly his and should never have been taken. They aren’t covered by the Presidential Records Act and aren’t classified security documents.

Second are his passports. As president, he had both a personal and a diplomatic passport. Those are his unless he is required to surrender them by a Court or the State Department. No such orders have been given and, should he be required to surrender them, the Mar-a-Lago raid would look like kicking over a sand castle on a beach.

The third class is security-related documents. Here’s where things get interesting. If Trump took classified documents with him and did not store them properly, then it is possible to suggest that there might be a securities violation.

But…

In 1988, the Supreme Court, in Navy v. Egan , declared that the President’s control over classified documents is absolute:
The President, after all, is the "Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States." U.S.Const., Art. II, § 2. His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant.


This is also a direct reference to Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution. “The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.”

In short, the Constitution granted President Trump complete authority to classify or declassify anything he wanted. No one had any legal authority to question him. He was not required to follow any procedure. His standing order that any materials he removed from the Oval Office were deemed declassified was both fully effective and unquestionable. He had “plenary authority.”

There is only one possibility regarding any materials taken from the White House before noon on January 20, 2021. Unless Donald Trump rescinded his standing order, all those documents were, in fact, declassified the moment they left the Oval Office. Thus, any Espionage Act charge relating to documents at Mar-a-Lago is bogus. As President Trump said, “All the documents were declassified.”

The only possible way that Trump could have possessed classified documents would be if he removed them after Biden was inaugurated president. But Donald and Melania left the White House around 11:00 a.m., and there is lots of news coverage to confirm that fact. He hasn’t been back since.
3 posted on 08/19/2022 7:37:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump could have declassified those documents any time he pleased. I hear on the news that the raid netted documents that were marked TOP SECRET. Matters not how they were marked, the classification authority of the president is plenary.


4 posted on 08/19/2022 7:38:48 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit.)
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To: ridesthemiles

The final question is whether Trump had documents that the Presidential Records Act says belong to the National Archives. While that’s possible, 45 has been very cooperative on that count.

When the movers took things out of the White House, it’s quite likely that they scooped up some items that fit into that description. On an earlier DOJ visit to Mar-a-Lago, some of these things were identified and handed over without objection.
And as The Donald has noted, ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS ASK! He’d be happy to return anything that fit the bill. And that brings us to a key consideration.

Attorney General Merrick “I’m only enforcing the rule of law” Garland apparently dithered over authorizing the raid for weeks. If national security was at issue, why wasn’t he knocking on Trump’s door within a few days after January 20?

It’s now over a year and a half later. For National Archives issues, a simple phone call would work. Trump’s personal work and passports don’t fall under any form of request or excuse. So, what’s going on?

I can’t read the alleged mind of anyone on the Left, so here comes my best guess. Sleepy Joe’s puppet masters realized that their attempt to use the January 6 circus to paint Trump as an insurrectionist was failing. So, they needed to find a way to soil him so badly that his base would reject him. “Under investigation” would be the magic words. But they forgot a key item.


5 posted on 08/19/2022 7:39:00 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Release the complete and un-redacted search warrants


6 posted on 08/19/2022 7:44:58 AM PDT by spokeshave (Get ahead by banning fossil fools, like McConnell, Biden, Pelosi, Feinstein, Schumer, Leahy, etc.)
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To: Taxman

Ping


7 posted on 08/19/2022 7:54:36 AM PDT by Taxman (SAVE AMERICA!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The final question is whether Trump had documents that the Presidential Records Act says belong to the National Archives.

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The National Archives and Records Administration is an “independent federal agency of the United States government within the executive branch”,

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I submit the last question is whether the N.A. is under the Executive Branch.

Since it is...

The final authority is the head of the Executive Branch

The President

President Trump ( at the time)

NOT the head of the N.A.

The last question is who is above who ?

The head of the Executive Branch President Trump ( at time of records movement) ?

Or the agency rule UNDER the President.

The answer is obvious.


8 posted on 08/19/2022 8:13:20 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: SeekAndFind

It is possible he stuffed secret documents down his pants like the Sand Burgler guy?


9 posted on 08/19/2022 8:28:04 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

If they indict him, they won’t be able to get a conviction unless they buy off the jury. I’m not sure the case would even get to trial. Unfortunately, they aim to damage his reputation so severely that he will decide not to run again in 2024. He’ll be tied up in court matters. I believe more indictments will be coming from New York and whatever other fishing expeditions his enemies are working on.

I pray every day for his physical safety. The overriding goal of the New World Order goons is to keep him out of the White House, by whatever means necessary.


10 posted on 08/19/2022 8:28:52 AM PDT by Deo volente ("When we see the image of a baby in the womb, we glimpse the majesty of God's creation." Pres. Trump)
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To: SeekAndFind
This is like the get Hunter mentality to divert attention from the real problem to the country HIS DAD!

The raid had nothing to do with classified documents.

The raid was to steal, then destroy, any evidence Trump had on anyone and everyone connected with the Russia hoax.

The Russia hoax along with the 2020 steal were the real acts of treason and a coup.

The Russia hoax doesn't sound bad until you realize that the intent of the conspiracy was to illegally take down a sitting President from within using fabricated fraud.A conspiracy fabricated within the government bureaucracies of the US government.

That didn't work, hence the 2020 election fraud AKA coup.

11 posted on 08/19/2022 8:32:34 AM PDT by lewislynn (Trump accomplished more in one term than any other President in your lifetime.)
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To: SeekAndFind
This is like the get Hunter mentality to divert attention from the real problem to the country HIS DAD!

The raid had nothing to do with classified documents.

The raid was to steal, then destroy, any evidence Trump had on anyone and everyone connected with the Russia hoax.

The Russia hoax along with the 2020 steal were the real acts of treason and a coup.

The Russia hoax doesn't sound bad until you realize that the intent of the conspiracy was to illegally take down a sitting President from within using fabricated fraud.A conspiracy fabricated within the government bureaucracies of the US government.

That didn't work, hence the 2020 election fraud AKA coup.

12 posted on 08/19/2022 8:35:02 AM PDT by lewislynn (Trump accomplished more in one term than any other President in your lifetime.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Are there any attorneys on this forum who can declare definitively that when a president “deems” a document to be declassified, it is declassified?

The Left is making a big deal out of the necessity to follow a specific procedure in order to declassify a document, but if a president has complete authority to declassify a document, how would he be bound by rules, if those rules were formulated by Congress, who have no authority over the president in this matter?


13 posted on 08/19/2022 8:46:51 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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From the article I found this:
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/484/518/

The President, after all, is the “Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States.” U.S.Const., Art. II, § 2. His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant.


14 posted on 08/19/2022 8:58:10 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I really must question this theory that Trump can wholesale declare large numbers of classified documents as UNCLASSIFIED and that is the end of it.

Classified documents are NUMBERED. This allows security to keep track of the individual owners of any given document. So when Trump declares a document UNCLASSIFIED he is not just declassifying his copy of a classified file, he is declassifying them all. Those documents must be retrieved by security and the necessary redactions and remarkings applied.

When this is done the government no longer considers the document, all of them, to be classified. You should be able to scan them and email them to your friends.

Something in this whole episode just doesn’t add up for me. Trump is too smart to violate security rules. I don’t get it.


15 posted on 08/19/2022 9:57:29 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Especially when the “CLASSIFIED” markings pertained to the Special Access Program (SAP) documents that Hillary had on her server (for sale to highest bidder) that TRUMP also declassified.


16 posted on 08/19/2022 11:39:15 AM PDT by Steven W.
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To: SeekAndFind

“The only possible way that Trump could have possessed classified documents would be if he removed them AFTER Biden was inaugurated.”

Absolutely. The writer stated it nicely in a way that everyone can understand. So easy even a Democrat can understand it.

When he was President, he had the authority to remove the stuff. He was President until the day he walked out the door.

Doubtful if DOCTOR Jill and PINO Joe invited Trump for tea later on.


17 posted on 08/19/2022 11:42:07 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Sometimes when you get to where you're supposed to be, it's too soon.)
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To: cuz1961

there is also a precedent ruling that the National Archives does not control or direct the documents - they are provided by the executive at his or her discretion.


18 posted on 08/19/2022 11:43:15 AM PDT by Steven W.
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To: SeekAndFind

They still got nuthin’.


19 posted on 08/19/2022 12:23:14 PM PDT by Libloather (Why do climate change hoax deniers live in mansions on the beach?)
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"while he’s there, so he has created work-related documents."

Like if he was writing his memoirs? Or biography?
20 posted on 08/19/2022 3:10:17 PM PDT by clearcarbon (Fraudulent elections have consequences.)
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