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Europe’s powers gave Ukraine no new military pledges in July, data shows
Politico ^ | August 17, 2022 | Ilya Gridneff

Posted on 08/17/2022 11:13:39 PM PDT by AmericaFirst101

Throughout all of July, Europe’s six largest countries offered Ukraine no new bilateral military commitments, according to new data — the first month that had happened since Russia invaded in February.

The revelation is a sign that despite historic shifts in European defense policy — which have seen once reluctant countries like France and Germany ship arms to Ukraine — military aid to Ukraine may be waning just as Kyiv launches a crucial counteroffensive.

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“Despite the war entering a critical phase, new aid initiatives have dried up,” he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.eu ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: ukraine; war
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The "crucial counteroffensive" always seems to be just over the horizon. At least as it applies to Kherson.
1 posted on 08/17/2022 11:13:39 PM PDT by AmericaFirst101
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To: AmericaFirst101

The ship is sinking and the rats in bailing.....


2 posted on 08/17/2022 11:28:05 PM PDT by cranked
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To: cranked

That could be the case.


3 posted on 08/17/2022 11:29:02 PM PDT by AmericaFirst101 ( )
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To: AmericaFirst101

Europe’s “powers”?
What powers?


4 posted on 08/17/2022 11:45:51 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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ha. true.


5 posted on 08/17/2022 11:48:04 PM PDT by AmericaFirst101 ( )
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just as Kyiv launches a crucial counteroffensive
I quickly check the war-maps every morning; I'm not aware of any offensive being launched by Kyiv, only talk.

Poland so far has sent at 230+ T72 Tanks, 10+ PT-91 Tanks, and 100+ other AFVs (Armoured Fighting Vehicles). If one goes to serious sources such as Attack On Europe: Documenting Ukrainian Equipment Losses During The 2022 Russian Invasion Of Ukraine so far Ukraine has lost one maybe up to five of these armoured vehicles; that would mean they have 335+ still left in service. Something doesn't stack up; I can think of several possible explanations but the curious wonders, where are they?
6 posted on 08/18/2022 12:03:42 AM PDT by Mr Radical (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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With a winter energy crisis looming, the virtue-signaling "powers" are reading the writing on the wall. They poked the bear, and the bear is threatening to cut off the gas for good (and sell it to the CCP instead).

Johnson, Draghi, Bulgaria, Estonia. Eurozone govt's are dropping like flies. Italy is next, with the Center-Right parties on target for a crushing victory over the leftards in late September.

7 posted on 08/18/2022 12:04:36 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Comitia asinorum et rhinocerum delenda sunt.)
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Yeah I have not seen evidence of any serious counteroffensive either.

Not sure where those armored vehicles are.


8 posted on 08/18/2022 12:13:16 AM PDT by AmericaFirst101 ( )
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To: rfp1234

You might be right.

A winter energy crisis could wake up those people in power fast.


9 posted on 08/18/2022 12:14:00 AM PDT by AmericaFirst101 ( )
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To: AmericaFirst101

Short of NATO mobilization (are they that crazy?), how this ends is not in serious doubt. That end will have monumental repercussions.

European countries are much closer to Moscow than Washington DC, and they are looking at a cold dark winter.

Just as the Soviet Union did, NATO will self-disintegrate as the Ukrainian regime does. The organization made the mistake of drawing a line in the sand it is not prepared to defend except by proxy. When the contest is proxy-versus-proxy that is how the game is played, but when the contest is proxy-versus-nation state ON THE BORDER of that nation state, it’s not a game. Didn’t someone explain this to those idiots?

Members will simply walk away and deal with Russia bi-laterally.

The EU will soon die of attrition as well.

Who among us does not want a much different world? Well this is what the trip there looks like. For better or worse is anyone’s guess, but it will be different than what we’ve known.


10 posted on 08/18/2022 1:50:58 AM PDT by JustaTech (A mind is a terrible thing)
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To: AmericaFirst101

Basically, other than Poland, the US is now the only country funneling military and monetary support to Ukraine despite the fact no one has yet to define a vital national security interest we have in this war. Europe, who does have a vital national security interest in this regional threat, has left it to us. We should require slacker European NATO nations to reimburse the US monetarily for the military and monetary aid we are sending Ukraine...but, of course, Biden won’t.


11 posted on 08/18/2022 2:01:50 AM PDT by chuckee
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We have been providing defense for Europe for 70+ years.


12 posted on 08/18/2022 4:25:20 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: AmericaFirst101

It’s costly to keep military equipment in storage, so why do it, especially when you think something like: “I never thought there will never be another war” - as the German Defense Minister said at the start of the Ukraine war.

Europe is spent, and they have virtually no way military-industry base to get back into production, so they’re spent for another 2 years or so. US is in a similar situation due to a small military-industry base and the need for materials from around the world, especially RUSSIA, for Titanium.

Eventually the West will figure out other ways to make stuff, or find resources in their shrinking pool of friendly countries, but it will take time.


13 posted on 08/18/2022 4:34:06 AM PDT by BobL (The Globalists/Neocons desperately want Ukraine to win...makes it easy for me to choose a side)
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To: AmericaFirst101

They don’t count the UK as European, but they (the UK) did pledge more in July (to train 10,000 troops). Nordic countries have since committed to contributing to that effort, and have conducted a donor conference in August where they pledged additional support.


14 posted on 08/18/2022 4:42:20 AM PDT by BeauBo ( )
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To: JustaTech

I agree. I think this is going to end in one result barring some NATO direct intervention.

NATO miscalculated here. No doubt in my mind about that.


15 posted on 08/18/2022 5:10:10 AM PDT by AmericaFirst101 ( )
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To: chuckee

I agree. The only other nation I would add to that is the UK. So, USA and UK and Poland. That seems about it right now.


16 posted on 08/18/2022 5:10:51 AM PDT by AmericaFirst101 ( )
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To: BobL

Yeah. Russia seems to have done a good job at getting the NATO nations to deplete their military resources.


17 posted on 08/18/2022 5:11:56 AM PDT by AmericaFirst101 ( )
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To: BeauBo

That’s right. The UK is not counted in the article, but they are still giving aid.


18 posted on 08/18/2022 5:12:21 AM PDT by AmericaFirst101 ( )
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UK boosts arms supply to Ukraine with more anti-tank weapons-July 21, 2023

Britain will send score of artillery guns and more than 1,600 anti-tank weapons to Ukraine

Reuters

19 posted on 08/18/2022 5:29:51 AM PDT by tlozo (Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees)
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The rest of Europe is still on board to support Ukraine - they sent economic aid during July, and continued to deliver previously announced military aid.


20 posted on 08/18/2022 5:59:48 AM PDT by BeauBo ( )
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