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To: ought-six
We have trade relations with Taiwan, and agreements to arm it for its own defense. We’ve had that since the early 1950s. Communist China may not like it, but it has accepted it for some 70 years.

We accepted, and continue to accept the one-China concept. Officially, Taiwan was thrown out of the United Nations over 50 years ago as an unlawful government.

The United States maintains no formal relations with Taiwan. We hold formal diplomatic relations with China. No government has ever simultaneously maintained formal diplomatic ties with both China and Taiwan. China refuses to maintain diplomatic relations with anyone who recognizes Taiwan. The United States severed diplomatic relations with Taiwan in order to establish diplomatic relations with China.

U.S. Statement on Diplomatic Recognition of the PRC

December 15, 1978

As of January 1, 1979, the United States of America recognizes the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China.

In the future, the American people and the people of Taiwan will maintain commercial, cultural and other relations without official government representation and without diplomatic relations. The Administration will seek adjustments to our laws and regulations to permit the maintenance of commercial, cultural, and other non-governmental relationships in the new circumstances that will exist after normalization. The United States is confident that the people of Taiwan face a peaceful and prosperous future. The United States continues to have an interest in the peaceful resolution of the Taiwan issue and expects that the Taiwan issue will be settled peacefully by the Chinese themselves.

U.S.-PRC Joint Communique on the Establishment of Diplomatic Relations (Normalization Communique)

January 1, 1979

The United States of America recognizes the Government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legal Government of China. Within this context, the people of the United States will maintain cultural, commercial, and other unofficial relations with the people of Taiwan.

The Government of the United States of America acknowledges the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China.

Who is the accredited U.S. ambassador to Taiwan? Where is the U.S. embassy in Taiwan?

You also forget that Taiwan believes that it IS China, and the legitimate government of China;

I do not forget that both sides recognize the one China concept. Taiwan is the approximate size of Long Island, NY. China is the approximate size of the United States.

It is a matter of public record that Taiwan possesses delusions of grandeur. Likewise, it is a matter of public record that the United States officially recognizes the PRC as the sole legal government of China, maintains no diplomatic relations with Taiwan, and its trade relations you seem obsessed with, are without official government representation.

Plain and simple, Taiwan is not a recognized state. It is not recognized by China, the United States, or the United Nations. You purposely make believe that your laundry list of claims changes the status of Taiwan.

37 posted on 07/31/2022 2:25:46 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: woodpusher

“Plain and simple, Taiwan is not a recognized state. It is not recognized by China, the United States, or the United Nations. You purposely make believe that your laundry list of claims changes the status of Taiwan.”

Not at all, Sparky. Show me specifically where I “changed the status” of Taiwan. I said the nationalist government says it is the legitimate government of Taiwan. I didn’t say the US says that; I didn’t say the UN says that. I said nothing about Taiwan being an independent and sovereign nation separate and distinct from mainland China. So, show me where I made a laundry list of claims that changed the status of Taiwan. You are assuming facts not in evidence, which is typical of kneejerk reactors who then cut-and-paste cites to try and support your invalid argument.

So, please show where I changed the status of Taiwan, or said it was anything other than what it is internationally recognized to be.

You made the claim. Prove it.


38 posted on 07/31/2022 2:54:50 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: woodpusher

“Plain and simple, Taiwan is not a recognized state. It is not recognized by China, the United States, or the United Nations. You purposely make believe that your laundry list of claims changes the status of Taiwan.”

Not at all, Sparky. Show me specifically where I “changed the status” of Taiwan. I said the nationalist government says it is the legitimate government of China. I didn’t say the US says that; I didn’t say the UN says that. I said nothing about Taiwan being an independent and sovereign nation separate and distinct from mainland China. So, show me where I made a laundry list of claims that changed the status of Taiwan. You are assuming facts not in evidence, which is typical of kneejerk reactors who then cut-and-paste cites to try and support your invalid argument.

So, please show where I changed the status of Taiwan, or said it was anything other than what it is internationally recognized to be.

You made the claim. Prove it.


39 posted on 07/31/2022 2:56:11 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: woodpusher

See my Post#39.


40 posted on 07/31/2022 2:58:01 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: woodpusher

BTW: The United States recognized the nationalist government on Taiwan as the legitimate government of all of China up until January 1, 1979. The UN recognized the nationalist government up until 1971.


41 posted on 07/31/2022 3:16:53 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: woodpusher

You also make light of our trade relations with Taiwan, which you claim I am “obsessed with.” I, personally, have no such obsession; though the world does: Taiwan is the world leader in semiconductors and chips (Taiwanese companies TSMC and United Microelectronics Corporation are the two largest contract chipmakers in the world).


42 posted on 07/31/2022 3:30:16 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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