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The Kids Aren’t All Right: What the Gender-Identity Revolution Has in Common with 1960s’ Drug Culture
Public Discourse ^ | 2/16/2017 | SCOTT BEAUCHAMP

Posted on 07/22/2022 7:47:00 AM PDT by aspasia

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To: ConservativeInPA

One cannot discount the degree to which Munchhausen by Proxy among mothers of “transgender” children enters into the equation.

“Look at me! How special my child is.”


21 posted on 07/22/2022 9:04:39 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Yes I agree much more with your assessment of this transgender nonsense as being related to identity politics, drugs have little or nothing to do with it.


22 posted on 07/22/2022 9:05:08 AM PDT by jimwatx
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To: Jeff Chandler

LOL, well some do find me a bit eccentric in my overall perspective of things. ;-)


23 posted on 07/22/2022 9:07:35 AM PDT by jimwatx
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To: equaviator

Yes peyote (in the form of legal San Pedro cactus) was by far my favorite of the bunch. (except for the nausea)


24 posted on 07/22/2022 9:11:48 AM PDT by jimwatx
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To: jimwatx

I’ll try a short answer. You address the physical efficacy of a drug. As I understand it, the experience of physical satisfaction becomes so great that it supplants a normal life, or at least dislikes it or struggles against it, or goes so far a to pretend it’s unreal or doesn’t exist. So the practice involves social, political, and religious features that are also identified in the present fad to transcend gender.


25 posted on 07/22/2022 9:14:58 AM PDT by aspasia
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To: jimwatx
drugs have little or nothing to do with it.

I don't quite understand what you mean. Or, at least, isn't the point rather that transcending human limitations is the Turkish Delight common the the 60's and today?

26 posted on 07/22/2022 9:19:37 AM PDT by aspasia
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To: aspasia

“As I understand it, the experience of physical satisfaction becomes so great that it supplants a normal life”

None of the so-called psychedelic drugs are addictive, something you would expect if it was just “physical satisfaction” or feeling good were their primary purpose. The vast majority who take them and extoll their virtues still only take them very infrequently, like a few times a year.


27 posted on 07/22/2022 9:21:55 AM PDT by jimwatx
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To: aspasia

“isn’t the point rather that transcending human limitations is the Turkish Delight common the the 60’s and today?”

I’ve never felt like I was “transcending human limitations” while under the influence of these substances. At best you could say that they might make you more emotionally available, and able to see things from a different perspective. Many do claim to have had some profound insights doing these drugs, but I have had those same insights prior to using them, so for me they did very little to “enlighten me” to anything I hadn’t already thought about before. I was always slightly eccentric to begin with, and these substances really didn’t have much of an effect in changing how I had always thought about things. Now for those people who have always had a more sheltered mental life and never thought much beyond the bounds of conventional thought, well perhaps these drugs would have more of an effect of changing their perspective of things.


28 posted on 07/22/2022 9:36:22 AM PDT by jimwatx
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To: jimwatx
That's fine. Addictive or not, the experience involves non-physical aspects before and after. To clarify, "supplants a normal life" is not about anyone's habit, but about one's world view. So he quotes Leary:
A psychedelic experience is a journey to new realms of consciousness. The scope and content of the experience is limitless, but its characteristic features are the transcendence of verbal concepts, of spacetime dimensions, and of the ego or identity. Such experiences of enlarged consciousness can occur in a variety of ways: sensory deprivation, yoga exercises, disciplined meditation, religious or aesthetic ecstasies, or spontaneously. Most recently they have become available to anyone through the ingestion of psychedelic drugs such as LSD, psilocybin, mescaline, DMT, etc. Of course, the drug does not produce the transcendent experience. It merely acts as a chemical key—it opens the mind, frees the nervous system of its ordinary patterns and structures.
For some, one experience is enough. But that's the 60s. Today the same mirage is promised by attempts at transcending gender.
29 posted on 07/22/2022 9:36:43 AM PDT by aspasia
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To: jimwatx
"I’ve never felt"

Again, it's not about that. But there was a phenomenon in the 60s which resembles the freedom from gender fad.

30 posted on 07/22/2022 9:50:37 AM PDT by aspasia
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To: aspasia

Well I can’t say how it is for others, but I wouldn’t say these drugs had that much of an effect on me that it permanently changed how I’ve always thought of things. They did open me up temporarily to maybe ponder certain things from a philosophical perspective perhaps, but never inclined me to act out of my normal character as a result of taking them.

That’s why I take issue with people who attribute deviant and twisted behavior to be a result of them taking drugs. No the drugs weren’t responsible for that, these people already were inclined towards deviancy without drugs. I’m only talking about the psychedelic drugs here, things like meth and crack cocaine are an entirely different matter, and abusing those substances could very well lead to moral degeneracy.


31 posted on 07/22/2022 10:01:07 AM PDT by jimwatx
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To: aspasia

Some are compelled to believe they speak for others.


32 posted on 07/22/2022 10:37:35 AM PDT by Born in 1950 (Anti left, nothing else.)
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To: Born in 1950

What is truth?


33 posted on 07/22/2022 10:41:15 AM PDT by aspasia
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To: aspasia

I’ve re-read this, and it’s just a hodgepodge of unconnected ideas leading to nowhere. He should be fired.

The author needs about 500 mikes of acid to get his brain straight.


34 posted on 07/22/2022 8:22:01 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; BraveMan; cardinal4; ...

35 posted on 07/23/2022 7:50:27 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: aspasia

Maryland Quayle said something to the effect of not everyone in the 60s did drugs and dropped out. And I can agree with that, I think it was maybe 25% were into the counterculture.

I see today that the grandchildren of that counter culture are coming home to roost.


36 posted on 07/23/2022 10:41:56 AM PDT by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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“LSD is used primarily to escape. And given that the world’s on fire, people might be using it as a therapeutic mechanism,” says Andrew Yockey, a doctoral candidate in health education at the University of Cincinnati and lead author of the paper. “Now that COVID’s hit, I’d guess that use has probably tripled.” -Scientific American (granum salis).

I'm sorry the idea of "escape" as the common thread between gender confusion and the 60s LSD has completely been overlooked by the FR apologists for recreational stimulants.

37 posted on 07/23/2022 11:01:23 AM PDT by aspasia
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To: aspasia
linky: Scientific American
38 posted on 07/23/2022 11:03:45 AM PDT by aspasia
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To: aspasia

It was a documented therapeutic for alcoholism back in the ‘60s Hagman was cured and touted it widely and I understand that Cary Grant was treated with it but I’m not sure why. So at one point up until 1968 or so it was a legal pharmaceutical and I guess maybe it’s still available pharmaceutically but I wouldn’t know.


39 posted on 07/23/2022 1:17:04 PM PDT by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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To: Clutch Martin

No doubt gender surgery is therapeutic as well. So at least there’s that.


40 posted on 07/23/2022 1:20:55 PM PDT by aspasia
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