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To: achilles2000

You are correct about Banderites being truly neo-Nazis. But if there are white supremacists in America, does that mean that Trump is a white supremacist? Poroshenko was a criminal and sought to punish the breakaway Republics so badly that no-one else would seek to break away. As such, I don’t know how they can ever be made part of Ukraine again. But Zelenskyy is not Poroshenko.


14 posted on 07/20/2022 9:45:46 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

“But if there are white supremacists in America, does that mean that Trump is a white supremacist? “

Only if Trump also brought them into his government...which would only be true if you think Bannon is a ‘white supremascist’. I don’t think he is.


16 posted on 07/20/2022 9:50:50 AM PDT by BobL (My hatred of Necons/Globalists exceeds my love of Ukraine or any other country, other than the US)
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To: dangus

The idea that anyone can find a significant number of “white supremecists in the US is a woketard/media myth used to keep the racism hustle going. In contrast, the NeoNazis (Avoz, Right Sector, Svoboda, OUN, etc.) have played a significant role in the coup governments and the successor coup governments. They have had major cabinet postiions, and the NeoNazi militias were integrated into the UFA. Nothing like that is the case in the US.

I agree with your assessment of Poroshenko, but Zelensky’s being “different” is more media image than reality. As it is, he appears to be subtlely giving away Galicia to the Poles (we’ll see if that really plays out). He has also run an authoritarian regime that is willing to use the UFA as cannon fodder to delay the inevitable day of reckoning. The UFA has almost no professional soldiers left in the Donbass, and the territorials and conscripts that are left can’t possibly hold the Seversk/Bakhmut line or the Slavyansk/Kramatorsk line. The Russians are likely to make a settlement offer within the next month. Zelensky had better take it, unless he volunteers to go to the frontlines and endure the incessant bombardment he is forcing what’s left of the Donbass elements of the UFA to endure.


20 posted on 07/20/2022 10:35:10 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: dangus
Zelensky is a corrupt puppet of "the liberal world order" and of corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs.

He run on bring peace to Ukraine and betrayed his promise.

His abandoned doing what is the best interests of his people and allowed his countrymen and country to be destroyed in a war that absolutely preventable.

31 posted on 07/20/2022 12:16:30 PM PDT by Kazan
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