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To: jdege

He was even assassinated by the KGB.

Look, having cooperated with the Nazis at any time certainly is viewed today as a mistake, as we know the Nazis to be pure evil.

But these people weren’t killing Jews, they were trying to get a Ukraine independent from the communists.

Imprisoned by the Nazis, tried to get his region unrepentant from Moscow and Germany, anti communist ultimately assassinated by the KGB.

Is a statute to him the same as honoring Nazis? I don’t think so.


15 posted on 07/16/2022 6:44:57 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Williams

Actually, his people were killing Jews.

It’s important to remember you make a deal with a devil - Hitler to kill a greater devil - Stalin. You’re not going to emerge clean! Cutting a deal with Hitler was the only way he was going to get back at Stalin and his minions for killing 8 to 12 million of his people. Killing Russian communists was his sole interest everything else no matter how horrible was in his mind necessary to further that aim. The West was in no position to help him give him another choice certainly not in 1941. He kept his insurgency going up into the mid-1950s. There are similar stories and “unsavory heroes” in the Baltic Republics. Baltic SS veterans used to parade on their independence days. There they aren’t viewed as we would view them. The USSR kept a whole division of KGB\internal security troops in the Baltic Republics up until the USSR fell.

Much of the anti-Russian hatred there and Ukraine you can still cut it with a knife and with good reason. There’s no analog here in our history.


27 posted on 07/16/2022 7:08:11 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Williams

Yes, they were killing Jews:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lviv_pogroms_(1941)

https://web.archive.org/web/20071218141039/http://www.einsatzgruppenarchives.com/hofer.html

Just a couple out of many examples.


40 posted on 07/16/2022 7:32:05 PM PDT by CatHerd (Whoever said "All's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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