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The West Leaves Ukraine Outgunned Against Russia
Wall Street Journal ^ | July 12, 2022 1:12 pm ET | Jillian Kay Melchio

Posted on 07/12/2022 12:20:56 PM PDT by Zhang Fei

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To: Zhang Fei
The West Leaves Ukraine Outgunned Against Russia

Every country is outgunned against Russia. Been like that for decades going back to the Soviet Union

21 posted on 07/12/2022 12:41:52 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: DesertRhino

Our super-genius woke generals could not defeat 11th-century sandal-clad goatherders given and unlimited budget and 20 years to do it.

Now they want to tackle Russia. What could possibly go wrong?


22 posted on 07/12/2022 12:42:30 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: House Atreides
We owe Ukraine NOTHING. It's not OUR fight, it's not OUR neighborhood, it's not part of OUR national interest.

CORRECT.

23 posted on 07/12/2022 12:45:06 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: Rurudyne

65 billion from the US at last count.


24 posted on 07/12/2022 12:45:53 PM PDT by dynachrome (“We cannot save Ukraine by dooming the US economy.” Rand Paul)
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To: Rurudyne

That and Ukrainian-Fauci bio warfare labs, Demonrat money laundering, et al.


25 posted on 07/12/2022 12:48:06 PM PDT by AbolishCSEU (Amount of "child" support paid is inversely proportionate to mother's actual parenting of children)
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To: DesertRhino

Well if you like borsch perhaps, but I’ve eaten better in an oily GALLEY. My wife said to the waiter, “where did this man learn to cook? AFGHANISTAN? So then we went on to the Bolshoi ballet, to see this new girl Gizelle. Well, you remember how BEAUTIFUL she was! Well, she just married a factory manager and...


26 posted on 07/12/2022 12:49:02 PM PDT by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: Travis McGee

The misuse of SEALS and SF was criminal. A couple of rounds of 155 could have fixed the problem the grunts ran into. Instead our generals prefer to use SEALS as super infantry and got everyone in the Extortion 17 helo killed.
They aren’t doing such things out of respect for their capability, they are wasting them so they can avoid the optics of using the weapons America has in spades.

I could not believe that the article seems to imply that arty isn’t kosher and that mano a mano is the only honorable way.

(BTW, funny how they didn’t think that when Azov was pounding the breakaway republics with arty for the last 8 years)
But the worst is that all of this is to distract us from the stolen election, the economy, the perversion flooding our schools, the street riots and crime deliberately being unleashed on us.


27 posted on 07/12/2022 12:49:25 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: dynachrome

I recall pointing out that when Obama managed to piss off a hundred million of Chicago Annenburg Challenge swag — and achieve bupkiss for it — what to reasonable people would be a career ender was to Democrats resume enhancement..


28 posted on 07/12/2022 12:52:04 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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Of course corruption is always a concern, but less so with heavy weapon deliveries. With just money the corrupt officials can find a way to skim something off the top, but they can’t exactly put an m777 howitzer on sale on e-bay.


29 posted on 07/12/2022 12:52:13 PM PDT by Krosan
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To: Zhang Fei

WHY is it “the West’s” duty to arm Ukraine in a regional conflict anyway?


30 posted on 07/12/2022 12:52:39 PM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Progressivism is socialism. Venezuela is how it ends.)
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To: Krosan

That’s what the Dark Web is for.


31 posted on 07/12/2022 12:54:38 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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Of course Russia is using artillery against dug in nazi positions. Why wouldn’t you, rather than sending in grunts?

That's the reason Russia's casualty rates are in the single digits on any given day now compared to Ukraine's 1,000.

32 posted on 07/12/2022 12:56:50 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Zhang Fei

Not so sure it can be characterized as “slow walking”, but it takes some time to train people to use the weapons before they can be brought it.

And there is another matter. Viky Spatz. She traveled all of Ukraine and learned from speaking to people all over the country, there are plenty of western weapons in Ukraine, but the guy who runs the country (not Zelenski) has held them up in central Ukraine depots.

See FR thread “Attack on Europe”: “War in Ukraine” post for today and yesterday for all the details.


33 posted on 07/12/2022 1:02:31 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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Just like Korea and Vietnam. A democrat got us into those wars and we weren’t even attacked. I believe LBJ made a televised speech regarding Vietnam that “we will fight because we must fight”. 10 years, 58k soldiers, and billions down the drain on that one, and we still lost.


34 posted on 07/12/2022 1:04:26 PM PDT by DownInFlames (P)
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I find the following new story hard to believe. Not because it is not the way Ukrainians have been “transferring” weapons because it is the way they have been doing it and I posted a post from a soldier spelling this all out.

Why I find it hard to believe is because as I also posted from one of my favorite Ukrainian sites the United States is operating the HIMARs. They have sent “several” soldiers for “each machine” and they are not mercs; but actual U.S. troops. And I think there is absolutely no way an American soldier would sell a HIMAR to Russia.

https://t.me/s/rybar/35394

Rybar
🇬🇧🇺🇦Then the birds sang to us that a deal had been made for the sale of MLRS HIMARS to the Russian side. The issue price was 880 thousand dollars . Additionally, the issue of the transfer of ammunition for 330 thousand dollars is being decided .

The method of transmission chosen is extremely funny: to leave the launcher in a barn in the gray zone, so that Russian military personnel “accidentally” stumble upon it during the sweep. Ukrainian “hoarders” definitely found a use for their skills on the line of contact.

We are waiting in the next couple of weeks for a public confirmation of the “find”.
#Russia #Ukraine
@rybar


35 posted on 07/12/2022 1:04:46 PM PDT by Cathi
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To: Zhang Fei

But the US and a few European countries keep filling the Ukraine money coffers with public funds in order for the criminal politicians (Jobama and crime family) to keep getting their kickbacks, thus continuing to loot the public treasury. It’s the norm in DC!


36 posted on 07/12/2022 1:12:12 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: Zhang Fei

Fake News.
Ukraine is winning against Russia and has so many guns and weapons, they selling them on the black market. Just ask the Stingers and Javelins.

/s


37 posted on 07/12/2022 1:20:47 PM PDT by cranked
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These aren’t the good ole days like when we used to sell arms to the Saudis and Israelis at the same time. We could shorten the war now by selling to both sides and save the taxpayers a a bit to boot! At least the rooskies could pay for theirs since Brandon has flooded them with cash due to the boomerang sanctions :)


38 posted on 07/12/2022 1:37:10 PM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: Zhang Fei
Ukraine WAS one of, if not the pre-emanant, industrial hubs of the USSR. It should be able to produce everything it needs to fight a war but it OFFSHORED all of its industry. So now they are f'd.

Can we learn something from that?

39 posted on 07/12/2022 1:40:54 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: Zhang Fei

The Biden Fags seem to be notably absent from this thread.


40 posted on 07/12/2022 1:43:19 PM PDT by eyedigress (Trump is my President!)
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