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German official: Nuclear would do little to solve gas issue
ABC News ^ | June 12, 2022

Posted on 07/12/2022 4:06:28 AM PDT by McGruff

Germany's vice chancellor on Tuesday defended the government's commitment to ending the use of nuclear power at the end of this year, arguing that keeping its few remaining reactors running would be complex and do little to address the problems caused by a possible natural gas shortfall.

Germany's main opposition party has called repeatedly for the country's last three nuclear reactors to be kept online after the end of December amid fears that Russia may halt natural gas supplies entirely. There's some sympathy for that position in the ranks of the pro-business Free Democrats, the smallest party in Chancellor Olaf Scholz's governing coalition.

But government officials argue that natural gas isn't so much a factor in generating electricity as in fueling industrial processes and providing heating.

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1 posted on 07/12/2022 4:06:28 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: McGruff

Guy is an idiot.

That power will have to made up somehow, and it won’t be wind or solar.

The Anti nukers are purposely trying to bring down capitalism, just like they always have been.


2 posted on 07/12/2022 4:11:59 AM PDT by UNGN
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To: McGruff
The ‘Green Agenda’ Will Be Revolutionary, Against The Green Agenda “the pursuit of Net Zero by continually raising the cost of living is going to cause populist revolts that will make Brexit and Trump look like minor blips”
3 posted on 07/12/2022 4:12:08 AM PDT by mewzilla (We need to repeal RCV wherever it's in use and go back to dumb voting machines.)
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To: McGruff

Is there anybody in the modern elite leadership who have any real knowledge of economics? Just because you can’t fuel a car from nuclear, you sure as heck can heat water and generate heat for buildings from it, taking the LNG and fuel load off of other forms.

It is a sum total of all the energy sources, not each individual slice all by their lonesome.


4 posted on 07/12/2022 4:13:49 AM PDT by wbarmy (Trying to do better.)
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To: McGruff
What an Idiot. What does he think is going to power all the electric cars they are supposed to be working towards. Does he think they will run forever on Coal?

He probably thinks the electric cars to come will run on Wind. I've got news for him. Germany's power grid probably won't hold up with the mass of electric cars planned. And Wind alone won't cut it.

I am amazed at such unrealistic thinking these days by politicians. Most of the time they can't find their way out a paper bag.

5 posted on 07/12/2022 4:19:31 AM PDT by CptnObvious
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To: UNGN

It sounds like they committed to this way back when no new reactors were planned. I think reactors do have an end-of-life. Stored spent fuel rods seems the hard limit, to me.

They were stupid to plan for non-existent alternatives.


6 posted on 07/12/2022 4:21:25 AM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: McGruff

If you have enough nuclear powered electricity, you can substitute electric heat for gas heat, freeing up gas for other purposes.


7 posted on 07/12/2022 4:21:33 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (We live in a time where intelligent people are being silenced so stupid people won’t be offended)
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To: McGruff
There ought to be a couple hundred nuclear power generating plants under construction worldwide presently.

Solar and wind cannot do the job.

The worlds economies will come to a sluggish halt with the removal and/or increased prices for fossil fuels. This is not rocket science.

Energy prices are going to go INSANE!

8 posted on 07/12/2022 4:27:22 AM PDT by blam
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To: McGruff

During his term as governor, Gray Davis called the Nuclear Regulatory Agency about how soon they could get a power plant up and running in California. They replied that from application for permit to going online would take a minimum of 20 years.


9 posted on 07/12/2022 4:29:23 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: wbarmy
Is there anybody in the modern elite leadership who have any real knowledge of economics?

maybe about 20% ... just like the morons that elect them ...

look around ... they're everywhere ... even on this site ...
10 posted on 07/12/2022 4:32:05 AM PDT by bankwalker (Repeal the 19th ...)
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To: Empire_of_Liberty
"It sounds like they committed to this way back when no new reactors were planned. I think reactors do have an end-of-life. Stored spent fuel rods seems the hard limit, to me",/B>

TerraPower, this new reactor is suppose to be able to use spent rods as fuel.

11 posted on 07/12/2022 4:32:29 AM PDT by blam
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12 posted on 07/12/2022 4:36:17 AM PDT by bankwalker (Repeal the 19th ...)
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To: McGruff

Yes, the government does indeed want people to die.


13 posted on 07/12/2022 4:38:56 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: McGruff

Hard to fight a war when you don’t have enough energy to run your industries, much less keep the heat on.

For all the bleating the Germans do about the ‘mean old Russians’, they sure don’t look ready to defend themselves.


14 posted on 07/12/2022 4:43:54 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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The EU is starting to get it

The European Parliament on Wednesday backed EU rules labelling investments in gas and nuclear power plants as climate-friendly, throwing out an attempt to block the law that has exposed deep rifts between countries over how to fight climate change.

https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/eu-parliament-vote-green-gas-nuclear-rules-2022-07-06/


15 posted on 07/12/2022 4:48:55 AM PDT by kabar
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To: McGruff
Another FR article talked about the krauts panic buying wood burning stoves and fire wood. How about heat? Might we think nuclear power could help alleviate that energy crisis?

Frickin liberals are the most stupid, obtuse and arrogant mongrels extant.

16 posted on 07/12/2022 4:49:34 AM PDT by LouAvul (Complacency is the enemy of courage.)
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“They replied that from application for permit to going online would take a minimum of 20 years.”

A nuclear submarine can be built in a little over two years. The reactor room is about the size of your living room. It drives the equivalent of a building through the water at speeds of thirty knots. It can be docked at an island and power cables connected and it can power the whole place. But a similar reactor on land cost billions and billions of dollars and takes twenty years. Why is that? It’s because the politicians want it to cost that much and take that long. They want to employ lots of people, buy lots of steel and concrete. It takes that long and costs that much because the reason for building is not providing power. It’s a jobs program. It’s the power to direct money to people who will support you running for office to keep the money coming.

Incidentally, the reason submarines and any ship are that big and cost that much is the same.


17 posted on 07/12/2022 4:51:07 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud. Sorry. )
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To: Empire_of_Liberty

The general path in Germany...once you build a nuke plant....it has a 20-year cycle, then a maintenance down-period for renovation, then get recertified for a second 20-year period. At that conclusion, you shut down.

In this case, after Fukushima...the first 20-year cycle was deemed to be finished, with no second life. At that point, the profit-plan was screwed up and the electrical analysts just gave up...no desire to fight.

Three plants still active now....all to close by end of 2022. Even if you wanted them to continue on...the problem is a lack of rods (only enough to get through the spring of 2023). So it the government comes calling and says ‘stay longer’...the response is...give us a plan of how long and we can project rod purchases.

This is where the government is screwed up...they can’t say in front of the environmentalists...they want another ten years (minimum).

For the record, as of 2020...12-percent of electric power in Germany...was produced by Russian natural gas. If you wanted to replace that....nuke energy is the only low-cost and clean method to do that. Somewhere in the mix...at least three plants (probably six) need to continue on.


18 posted on 07/12/2022 4:53:42 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: McGruff

Ya think?????


19 posted on 07/12/2022 4:57:08 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith… )
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To: UNGN

And it’s slowly working.


20 posted on 07/12/2022 5:00:28 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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