Ukraine aims to amass 'million-strong army' to recapture south, says defence minister

BBC ^ | July 11, 2022

[teevolt]

It’s not that simple. Russians had more cause to enter Ukraine than the U.S. did Iraq. Guarantee if Russian oligarchs had funded a coup in Canada that the U.S. would be involved.

[fireman15]

Republican party is also for supporting Ukraine, and most western countries are also sending weapons.

Yes, Liz Cheney, Mittens, the Turtle and especially Linda Graham are leading the charge. Well whoopdie dupedy, Putin is quaking in his boots.

[tlozo]

Russian troops would not be in Ukraine today if the United States had not engineered the 2014 coup

Sorry this is complete Russian propaganda. Both sides tried to influence Ukraine. Ukrainians didn't want to be in some shithole Russian CIS (Commonwealth of Independent States) economic block. That Ukrainian president was elected promising to join the EU, and immediately announced Ukraine would join the Russian CIS. Massive demonstations forced him out. Since then there have been three presidents elected. Tell me how this justifies a Russian invasion 10 years later.

as a third of the troops fighting alongside Russian forces are Ukrainian citizens of the Donestk and Lugansk

Russians are grabbing any male on the streets of the occupied areas and forcing them in the army. Enthusiasm for fighting for Russia, is non-existent. Proven by one of the separatist leaders, Igor Girkin (defense minister of the DNR), who complains in 2014 Ukrainians don't want to fight for Russia: The few local men who have joined his militia are those aged over forty who were raised in Soviet times, and there is a complete absence of youth in his rebel ranks, Girkin says. “Where are the young people?” he asks, “Maybe in the gangs that are currently robbing, looting and wreaking havoc in the province?”

[fireman15]

As Putin murders Ukrainians he is also sending his fellow Russians to Bleak House.

Unfortunately, reality is exactly the opposite of the leftist BS that you have swallowed. The Russian economy is being flooded with cash for oil, gas, fertilizer, and food all of which they are major exporters of. And it is coming from you and me bub. How much did you just pay to fill up your jacked up 4x4? And how about the price of your favorite burgers and dogs? Where do you think that extra money is ending up?

The Ruble is now the best performing foreign currency year to date...

Look at the red line from February 20 until now. Notice anything? Those sanctions are really hurting the Russians aren't they?

Russia made nearly $100B from fuel exports in war’s first 100 days, report says.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/14/russia-fossil-fuel-revenue-ukraine-war/

Yes, flooding an enemy with cash is a stroke of genius only the Biden administration could come up with.

Care to guess what Russian revenues from oil and gas did in May? They went up another 11% even as their production fell by 3%.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jun/15/russia-rakes-in-nearly-20bn-from-oil-exports-in-may

Yes, doubling the Russian budget is really, really hurting them. /s

[mrmeyer]

Don’t let facts get in the way of a narrative. /sarc

[Jan_Sobieski]

Crimea’s primarily occupants are Russian speaking people. They did not overthrow anything. They voted to secede. Russia did send in troops during to Revolution to overthrow the elected President because they have security interests (Sevastopol).

Luhansk and Donetsk leadership were not overthrown by Russian forces. They responded to the unconstitutional overthrow of their elected President by voting to secede. You continuously repeat lies as though it were fact.

[Jan_Sobieski]

Revolutions have consequences. Overthrowing elections have consequences. Can’t say I blame them for calling in the big guns. Do you think the North overthrew the 1860 election in a Revolution? You keep bringing this up as though it’s some insightful new theory…

[Lurker]

“ Do you think the North overthrew the 1860 election in a Revolution.”

No. I know that the Legislatures in the South all voted to secede from the Union much like those regions did in Ukraine.

So I’ll ask again. How did that work out for them? Why is the situation not analogous?

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[Jan_Sobieski]

BS! 85-90% of Eastern Ukraine Voted for Yanukovich in 2010. His popularity in the south was near 75%. His Dneiperpetrovsk popularity was over 65%. The Only reason Elections are unconstitutionally overthrown is because they KNOW they cannot win legitimately. Obama sowed the wind…now we reap the whirlwind…

[Jan_Sobieski]

I stand by what my great, great grandfather’s did in fighting for the republic.

If Lincoln was overthrown by the DC establishment, I would have a different opinion. Why are you conflating two entirely different events? Do you need a history lesson?

[Kazan]

Anyone thinking this is possible is a fool.

Ukrainians have been harassing men at churches trying to force them into military service. They have had to resort to recruiting women>

This just another ploy for more American tax dollars.

[PIF]

Luhansk, and Donetsk

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At first the people cheered, but when the Orcs began forcibly conscripting men off he streets, including the handicapped, and those same men were ill-equipped to fight any war, and those same men were sent by their Russian officers to a sure death in suicidal attacks on fortified positions, and when those now dead men where left to rot where they fell, the people turned against the Orcs.

[Jan_Sobieski]

So the little hobbits of Eastern and Southern Ukraine wanted Kiev to overthrow their elected President and Outlaw their language in a violent Revolution? And for the last 8 years the Hobbits have been trying to join Kiev while Kiev is simultaneously shelling them? Ok then.

[DUMBGRUNT]

—”The Ruble is now the best performing foreign currency year to date...”

The Russian economy is a very well fabricated Potemkin village; yes they invented it. And they have worked hard for years to prepare, but they are on the edge of a third-world economy, like Mexico, and attempting to support a large military-industrial complex.

Use a magnifying glass if needed and you will notice that Russia is paying 20% interest on savings in ruble! Yes they have been cutting that, but not much. Not a good sign.
EVEN BRANDON HAS NOT YET PUSHED OUR RATES THAT HIGH: YET.

Yes, there is leakage in the boycott and oil is fungible.
And Brandon has limited supply /pushing price to the moon.

—”The Ruble is now the best performing foreign currency year to date...”
What return are you receiving from your ruble investment?
CAREFUL! “Past performance is no guarantee of future results” because the Russian economy is past and sinking.

As you study the Russian economy, again remember they invented the Potemkin village.

If you believe in it... gotta hunch buy a bunch!!!
Maybe some leverage for you?
Russian ETF CFD!!! You can thank me later!

[MalPearce]

Bollocks. They haven’t banned the Ukrainian language. They prioritised Ukrainian over Russian at federal level and devolved language decisions to the oblasts... shock horror, that’s exactly what America has done, and Canada, and Wales...

The current laws don’t just allow regional variations (Crimea already had the power to keep Russian or Tartar as its official language), it included special exemptions for Crimean Tatar and other indigenous dialects, International English language and the official languages of the European Union; Russian, Byelorussian and Yiddish.

And all the statutes passed on this topic are in the public domain and are easily verified.

The Russian federation by contrast has banned Ukrainian language textbooks from schools and even started erasing maps of the independent Ukraine of 1990s - 2014 from the curriculum.

[dangus]

I consider there to be overwhelming evidence that Crimea wanted to be no longer part of Ukraine, and substantial evidence that a substantial, perhaps majority, part of the Russian minority in Luhansk and Donetsk supported secession. And I even have considerable sympathy to their cause. Petrochenkov’s misdeeds resulted in his and his party’s utter destruction in the subsequent elections, which nonetheless showed very little support for alignment with Russia. What evidence have you seen that any Russian troops were welcomed as liberators beyond LDR and DDR? The closest I can find to any support was the mayor of Kharkiv’s “treachery” in allowing the Russians across the Dneiper Gates.

[dangus]

Again... I end up fighting both sides in the same thread.

The Ukrainians sure as hell did obliterate every part of the agreement by which Crimea agreed to be part of Ukraine when Ukraine seceeded from the Soviet Union, including the agreement to allow Russian-language schools, Russian-language newspapers and Russian-language broadcast stations. Petrochenkov was absolutely a monster. But Petrochenkov also was routed in an historic, unprecedented electoral route the likes of which Europe has seldem ever seen.

[Jan_Sobieski]

I do not know all the details. It the fog of war is still thick. States do not secede unless they are in an irreconcilable situation. When their President was overthrown and their language outlawed, they saw the writing on the wall. The Obama administration’s overthrow of Ukrainian Democracy, like the overthrow of undemocratic Libya, Syria, and Egypt, has resulted is mass death and disenfranchisement.

[dangus]

True... much of LDR and DDR did attempt to secede, but you seemed to be referring to the entire region which is now occupied by Russia, which is far, far larger than the portions of LDR and DDR which seceded.

[Forward the Light Brigade]

I expect Russia to launch a Proxy war against the USA someplace else—Middle East maybe? Iran can help. North Korea? Maybe in South America? Central America? Cuba could help? Maybe help the red states when Democrats win big in November by stuffing the ballot boxes? 500 million mail in ballots appear?