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To: artichokegrower
To me it's amazing that the country was thiiiisssss close to being founded as an abolitionist nation. In both the 1770's when the Declaration was being debated and signed by delegates from the 13 states, and later in the 1780's with the Constitution, 11 of the 13 states were willing to start the nation with slavery outlawed. Only 2 states (Georgia and South Carolina) dug their heels in and said they wouldn't help start the nation unless they could keep slaves.

And this was in the 18th century (that's 1700's to those of you in Rio Linda). I see it as the First Great Awakening batting a couple of singles to get some men on base but not quite bring them home, then the Second Great Awakening hitting some singles and doubles to bring home the runners and win the game.

To me, what God did through the great awakenings is nothing short of amazing.

26 posted on 06/28/2022 6:19:01 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Tell It Right

Interesting. Do you know of a good book or source which discusses this? I’d like to know more.


38 posted on 06/28/2022 6:24:51 AM PDT by MiddleEarth (With hope or without hope we'll follow the trail of our enemies. Woe to them, if we prove the faster)
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To: Tell It Right

“Only 2 states (Georgia and South Carolina) dug their heels in and said they wouldn’t help start the nation unless they could keep slaves.”

I reject what that woman said but you are not helping matters.

Two states could not have stopped the founding of this nation. The U.S. Constitution could have been ratified with just nine states.


72 posted on 06/28/2022 6:53:02 AM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: Tell It Right
To me it's amazing that the country was thiiiisssss close to being founded as an abolitionist nation. In both the 1770's when the Declaration was being debated and signed by delegates from the 13 states, and later in the 1780's with the Constitution, 11 of the 13 states were willing to start the nation with slavery outlawed. Only 2 states (Georgia and South Carolina) dug their heels in and said they wouldn't help start the nation unless they could keep slaves.

So you are telling me that of all 13 slave states in existence at the time, all but 2 were willing to forgo slavery? This does not ring true. It sounds made up.

Further evidence? Well when Jefferson tried to make the Declaration explicitly anti-slavery, the rest of the committee overrode him and had him remove that language.

In fact, they put in a "cause" which said:

"He has incited domestic insurrections amongst us..."

And this refers to efforts to trigger a slave rebellion by offering freedom to slaves. (Lord Dunmore's proclamation.)

79 posted on 06/28/2022 7:00:16 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Tell It Right

That is an interesting piece of history I have not run across. Do you have sources for that? Yes only 9 were needed to ratify the Constitution, but what was their influence on the other states?


121 posted on 06/28/2022 7:47:55 AM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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