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To: marcusmaximus

During the course of a day here on FR, we can get an article that Russia is using “outdated” weapons and is getting wiped out, then in the same day we will get an article that Ukraine is getting hammered and their casualties can’t be sustained.

I have no idea which side is winning, one day, hopefully soon this war will be over and then we will know if Russia is getting their ass kicked or we are getting lied to about Russia winning.


2 posted on 06/22/2022 10:17:19 AM PDT by srmanuel
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To: srmanuel

Putin just fired his general in charge of all southern operations.

Putin’s panic over his developing train wreck in temporarily occupied Kherson and Melitopol is too funny. What was he thinking?


6 posted on 06/22/2022 10:22:20 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: srmanuel

Former German intelligence individual that started a blog, worth a look.

moonofalabama.org


12 posted on 06/22/2022 10:27:41 AM PDT by foundedonpurpose (Praise Hashem, for his restoration of all things!)
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To: srmanuel

The math here is simple:

Going into January of this year the prevailing wisdom was that Russia was a massive superpower whose forces were unstoppable.

When Russia invaded Ukraine the prevailing wisdom was that Ukraine would fold or be conquered within days. I’ll admit to being one of those folks who thought Russia would curbstomp the Ukrainians.

But then the Ukies surprised everyone and stopped the Russians in their tracks by using unconventional tactics to bloody the orcs. The invasion ground to a halt.

That alone was a victory for Ukraine and a loss for Putin. Merely stopping the storied Red Army with a third rate military was remarkable.

The Ukrainians as it turns out are much better fighters than we thought.

And the Russians were hideously incompetent as video after video of their pathetic movement tactics revealed.

Despite laying on massive amounts of logistics the Russians were and are woefully incompetent at getting supplies from the supply dumps to the frontline units.

In January the world thought Russia was an unbeatable superpower. Today, in June, we know we can kick their butts into the middle of next year if we want to. They know it too.

Even if the Russians temporarily gain some territory in Ukraine they will have suffered a massive defeat because no one thinks they’re unbeatable anymore.


16 posted on 06/22/2022 10:32:17 AM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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To: srmanuel

At 50 percent I’d guess the unit(s) would be pretty useless. I listened to a commentator who was making his guesses based on Russia’s equivalent of Facebook, where people post their comments and best wishes to those who are talking about their dead relatives. He guesses the number killed is about two thirds of the claimed numbers. Those killed are mostly ethnicities from outside Russia. Very poor people who can’t pass up a paying job.


17 posted on 06/22/2022 10:32:37 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud. Sorry. )
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To: srmanuel

It’s crazy. I don’t know who’s winning, but I do know we have enough economic and financial troubles here and can’t afford to support Ukraine for a long term.


26 posted on 06/22/2022 10:41:26 AM PDT by Rusty0604 (" When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." -Ronald Reagan)
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To: srmanuel
During the course of a day here on FR, we can get an article that Russia is using “outdated” weapons and is getting wiped out, then in the same day we will get an article that Ukraine is getting hammered and their casualties can’t be sustained.

I thought I was the only one observing that.

So I'm not crazy after all.

I do know that you can not trust anything in our propaganda media anymore. The U.S. media is less trustworthy than Pravda was in the old Soviet Union.

27 posted on 06/22/2022 10:41:49 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (3,341,442 active users on Truth Social)
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To: srmanuel
During the course of a day here on FR, we can get an article that Russia is using “outdated” weapons and is getting wiped out, then in the same day we will get an article that Ukraine is getting hammered and their casualties can’t be sustained.

Three UK media outlets; The Sun, The Express, and the Daily Mail, seem to be living in an alternate reality where Ukraine is winning handedly.

The rest of the Western media is slowly coming to grips with the fact that Ukraine is not winning. Not even close.

50 posted on 06/22/2022 11:10:20 AM PDT by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President 2024)
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To: All

GOOD!

RUSSIAN SCUM!

KILL ‘EM ALL!


62 posted on 06/22/2022 11:41:23 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: srmanuel
During the course of a day here on FR, we can get an article that Russia is using “outdated” weapons and is getting wiped out, then in the same day we will get an article that Ukraine is getting hammered and their casualties can’t be sustained.

I click on these threads much in the same way that I might view a football game between two teams that I generally dislike. Don't care who wins, and sometimes both sides' cheerleaders can be entertaining.

64 posted on 06/22/2022 11:44:36 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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This is the same Brit MSM source that I believe publish a headline of “Mass Russian Surrender”...14 soldiers. Russian weapons are not outdated, and their casualties are light because of how they have structured their combined arms operations. Russian artillery and tactical missiles are superior by far to the Ukrainians’, notwithstanding our arms shipments, which are not as effective as they might be (or at all) because: 1. the Russians are destroying many of them before they even reach the front because the Russians have the missiles and artillery (and battlefield intelligence) to do it 2. Ukrainians are selling a lot of the weapons on the blackmarket, 3. The Ukrainian troops have neither the training nor the logistical support to use them effectively, 4. In some cases the weapons’ performance was downgraded before they were shipped, e.g. the M777 howitzers’ advanced fire-control technology was taken off before they were sent. 5. the Russians are destroying a lot of equipment sent to Ukraine in the field because they have better battlefield intelligence. Moreover, the quantities of M777 and HIMARS, which COULD improve the Ukrainian situation, have been sent in negligible quantities. The announcements for those weapons by the Biden Administration are like photo opps.

No Ukrainian artillery has the range of the heavy Russian artillery, so the Russians stand off and pound the Ukrainian positions to pieces before they send in the tanks and infantry. When they have the enemy surrounded they simply wait the AFU out. How many Russians were killed taking Avostal? Hardly any. The same will be true for the Avot chemical works.

The Russians are losing soldiers, but at a small fraction of the rate of the AFU. Unfortunately, what tends to get posted here is nonsense from Yahoo, The Express, The Hill, WAPO, etc. It’s interesting that baseless, flagrant Biden/NATO propaganda gets posted here and commenters slurp it right up - Snake Island, Bucha, the Rape hoax, Ghost of Kiev, “Mass Surrender”, mass deaths of Russian Generals, Putin is dying (he sure as hell looked in the pink Friday in St. Petersburg), Russia is running out of troops, and so on, and the commenters here who don’t know the difference between the USSR and Russia, little to none of the relevant history, who know nothing about the involve of the WEF or the level of Zelensky’s corruption (Does “Pandora Papers” mean anything to anyone here? When the MSM was pushing the Russia Collusion Hoax, people here understood the MSM agenda rightly discounted the stories. Ironically, for the Covid hoax and the Ukraine war, many here are buying into the disinformation.

If you have any interest in what is a far more relevant and accurate view of what is happening in the most important front in the Donbass:

https://thesaker.is/sitrep-operation-z-cauldrons-and-fatigue/

The video included is interesting. AND before anyone starts denouncing the source as “Russian propaganda” (which many here seem to define as anything they don’t want to hear), give events a 2 or 3 weeks and see what develops. The description of the current situation near Severodonetsk and Lisichansk is probably about as accurate as we are going to get. What happens in the future can’t be predicted with certainty, but Lisichansk is likely to fall.


79 posted on 06/22/2022 1:37:56 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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