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I’m willing to say that if some gays contributed the the founding of America to the same degree as those individuals already recognized, those gays should be included.

But no mention should be made that they were gay. Maybe some of our founding fathers were gay. Maybe some of those founding fathers were down deep females. Who knows? Who wants to know?


20 posted on 06/20/2022 8:32:03 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: cymbeline
Maybe some of those founding fathers were down deep females. Who knows?

I know. They weren't females.

31 posted on 06/20/2022 4:57:06 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (“Government is the problem.” --Milton Friedman)
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To: cymbeline
I’m willing to say that if some gays contributed the the founding of America to the same degree as those individuals already recognized, those gays should be included.

At the Founding and until WW2, the vastly overwhelming majority of Americans did not "identify" with homosexual behavior, there was not a positive nickname for the practice such as "gay", and the penalties for homosexual behavior were severe.

Even if a very few in the Williamsburg era did some diddling on the downlow, they most likely also had wives and children, so were technically bisexual at most, and also closeted and conflicted. There simply were no homosexuals in the public life of Christendom at the time except perhaps in theater, the practitioners of which were also frowned upon as people of disrepute.

Even the famed artist Toulouse-Lautrec in the sexy, decadent France of the 1800s, who journalistically portrayed hundreds of prostitutes in bars, brothels and dancehalls, never depicted obvious homosexuality among the male characters in his Parisian nightlife paintings.

"Being" gay or the rest of the alphabet is a distinctly recent public phenomenon. Historically, until the Swinging 60s, more than 92% of American adults were married heterosexually.

32 posted on 06/20/2022 5:11:42 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (“Government is the problem.” --Milton Friedman)
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