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The Return of Industrial Warfare [On the West's capacity to produce in light of Russia-Ukraine]
The Royal United Services Institute ^ | June 17th, 2022 | Alex Vershinin

Posted on 06/19/2022 10:59:48 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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This commentary is a damning indictment of outsourcing, our reduced industrial capacity, and the impact both have on the West's military logistics.

These bear particular emphasis:

(And just in case for those who are curious: RUSI is a UK think tank founded in 1831 by the Duke of Wellington.)

1 posted on 06/19/2022 10:59:48 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

All mental masturbation. The “west” can destroy Russia with a few executive orders from the chomo in chief destroying the “Green” BS. Announce unrestrained petroleum and natgas harvesting on “western” soil and announce refinery approvals and Russia is ended overnight.


2 posted on 06/19/2022 11:15:24 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Would we be able to fight a conventional war against Russia and China? Not unless we win quickly. China has become the arsenal of dictatorship with the help of free traitors


3 posted on 06/19/2022 11:21:24 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers." )
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Excellent article.

But don't like that the author was so unwilling to estimate Russian stockpiles - even going so far as to imply that the high rate of consumption (of missiles) must necessarily mean that they have massive stockpiles.

But an otherwise well-written article! Sobering!

Regards,

4 posted on 06/19/2022 11:26:20 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Organic Panic
The “west” can destroy Russia with a few executive orders from the chomo in chief destroying the “Green” BS. Announce unrestrained petroleum and natgas harvesting on “western” soil and announce refinery approvals and Russia is ended overnight.

The Pentagon went behind Trump's back when he ordered the withdrawal of troops from Syria, refusing to do so.

That's but one example of the sort of institutional rot that renders your comment an exercise in wishful thinking.

After all, the current governing class in Washington, despite the rise in energy prices, has only DOUBLED DOWN on their Green agenda. Executive orders to unleash our petroleum industry won't mean jack if the underlings refuse to implement them.

5 posted on 06/19/2022 11:40:48 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Read any of my posts and I have always said “Trump’s biggest mistake was trusting anything with the Bush clan stank.”

Regards.


6 posted on 06/19/2022 11:47:55 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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The “west” can destroy Russia with a few executive orders from the chomo in chief destroying the “Green” BS. Announce unrestrained petroleum and natgas harvesting on “western” soil and announce refinery approvals and Russia is ended overnight.

After disposable income in Russia increasing 7 fold between 2000 and 2014... Russia got stung by Western Sanctions in 2014 which caused their economy to shrink in 2015. After that Putin and Co. worked on hardening their economy against similar actions in the future. They now have one of the most self sufficient economies in the world. So far every “sanction” imposed has hurt the West more than Russia.

You are correct that the best thing that could be done to hurt Russia would be to increase oil and gas production and refining capacity. But it is doubtful that even that would be any thing more than an inconvenience to them. They export, food, energy, and fertilizer. They have a larger land mass and more natural resources than every other country in the world. You fantasizing that we are currently capable of destroying Russia with a “few executive orders” is the one who is engaging in “mental masturbation”.

7 posted on 06/20/2022 12:23:26 AM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: alexander_busek; MercyFlush; PIF; BiglyCommentary; ought-six; UMCRevMom@aol.com; Zhang Fei; ...

How much truth is there to the impression given by this article that the US will have a hard time cranking up production, and that Russia has unlimited supplies of missiles and ability to produce lots more quickly. I find it a bit hard to believe that Russia can be all that efficient, even when it comes to projectile production. The fact that the Russian state media has been sabre rattling about nukes, reclaiming Lithuania, and punishing Sweden and Finland suggests to me that they are eager to get it over in a hurry. Could they be a lot more lacking in missile and other depth than they would have use believe with their belicosity?


8 posted on 06/20/2022 1:00:24 AM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authoritytQiviut )
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So far every “sanction” imposed has hurt the West more than Russia.

When David (Russia) is battling Goliath (the West), it is NOT enough for David to succeed (for a time) in "hurting" (in absolute numbers) Goliath more than David is being hurt (in absolute numbers).

Goliath can be acting rationally if he is willing to accept massive pain (in absolute numbers) if, in the long haul, it means that David will be depleted first.

When the Soviets were marching westwards to Berlin, they were - in abs. numbers - actually losing more than the Nazis. But the Nazis were smaller in size (military strength) than the Soviets, so the Nazis eventually crumbled.

The same principle applies today in the Russo-Ukrainian War.

That is why Ukraine will win, as long as they don't lose their nerve and surrender prematurely.

Like the "Star Wars" initiative of Ronald Reagan in the 1980s: All we have to do is outspend the Russians.

If Bill Gates and I engage in a contest to see who can burn money longer, and Gates agrees to burn one $100 bill for every $1 bill I burn - Bill Gates wins.

Regards,

9 posted on 06/20/2022 1:14:46 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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Ukraine shells Russian military Warehouse in Luhansk & captures Russian soldiers (Mon, Jun 20, 2022, YouTube)

10 posted on 06/20/2022 2:19:02 AM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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Ukrainian soldiers fire captured Russian military Howitzer (Jun 19, 2022, YouTube)

11 posted on 06/20/2022 2:22:35 AM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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How are those videos relevant to the main article?


12 posted on 06/20/2022 3:21:21 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: gleeaikin

Russia has unlimited supplies of missiles and ability to produce lots more quickly

Modern missiles require high end chips - the ones Russia produces are not up to the standards of a decade ago. The ones they need are embargoed. Mainland Chinese chips are joke.

Case in point: the artillery drone, Orlon-10, responsible for most of the artillery successes in Ukraine was recently down graded for lack of chips to make new ones:
The circuit board used for navigation was not dependent on GPS making it resistant to some anti-UAV guns. The Orlon-10 flew using optical ground information. However, Orcs cannot make new boards and so they replaced the old board with a primitive GPS based circuit board. Now it is susceptible to GPS attacks. Its better for Orc Artillery, but easier to shoot down


13 posted on 06/20/2022 3:22:43 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Obviously annual purchases of ammo by the military needs to be increased and stockpiles need to be increased significantly. Ditto production capacity.

NATO as a whole needs to conduct a strategic survey of what it would need in the case of a major land war, what it has on hand and what it has the capacity to manufacture currently.

Shortfalls need to be identified. Then they need to be remedied. NATO countries must whenever possible develop the capacity to meet their needs for all critical military resources first, FROM WITHIN THE ALLIANCE. For example, this means no Chinese components in weapons systems. If it becomes necessary to subsidize domestic production of key components for weapons, then so be it.

If key materials or components cannot be obtained from within the alliance then the next best option is to determine what outside sources these may be obtained from. The very first option needs to be from allied countries such as Australia, Japan, Israel, etc. NATO should only go to neutral 3rd parties if it absolutely must and if it is impossible to source those strategic resources from within the alliance or from allied countries. In which case whatever the resource is, NATO countries need to build up massive stockpiles of it. That includes for instance, oil.


14 posted on 06/20/2022 3:28:34 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Organic Panic

Yes. The West would be in a vastly stronger position militarily and economically if it would stop sacrificing to Gaia.

Notice, nobody else in the world feels any need to slit their own throats by sacrificing to Gaia.


15 posted on 06/20/2022 3:29:58 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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The underlings at the 3 letter agencies must be fired. EN MASSE.

That means THOUSANDS. By the way, 3 letter agencies includes the DOD. The second Trump administration needs to look at everybody in the military O5 and up and every one of them who is identified as a Leftist needs to be fired. Get reports from the troops. Comb through their social media posts. See if they’ve pushed any “Equity, Diversity and Inclusion” crap. Fire everybody who has - immediately. Abolish any such positions in the US military. No more trannies. Fire them immediately. No more “pride” crap. Fire anybody who pushed that too.


16 posted on 06/20/2022 3:33:28 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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>>>The “west” can destroy Russia with a few executive orders<<

You are delusional.


17 posted on 06/20/2022 3:34:24 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: FLT-bird

Most of the 3-letter agencies simply need to be axed outright.


18 posted on 06/20/2022 3:38:06 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: FLT-bird; Ultra Sonic 007; alexander_busek; PIF; All

I guess people from Russia have no idea how the protections of the US Civil Service rules/laws work. They do not discriminate against Conservatives, Liberals, or Gays. It is interesting to see how a series of comments can degenerate from apparently reasonable to really bizzare and in the process reveal the true character of the writer.


19 posted on 06/20/2022 3:49:40 AM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authoritytQiviut )
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To: rmlew

When propagandists frame Russia and the ChiComs as enemies as part of their theater for us little people, remember that the West has every warning about problems - whether with the ChiCom puppet North Korea or the Russian invasion of Georgia in 2008.

We’re not prepared for war because our leadership (both parties) is in bed with their leaders - and the nationalist president who called that out was removed from office by fraud in the 2020 election.


20 posted on 06/20/2022 3:51:56 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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