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To: Ultra Sonic 007; marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; ...

Ukraine ping

Ultra Sonic 007:[You’re the one claiming (uniquely, as far as I’m aware) that Putin was the one actually using Burisma to buy influence with Joe Biden. Given that Hunter Biden was working with Burisma from April 2014 through 2019 (i.e. after the pro-Russian administration of Yanukovych had been ousted), this claim seems farfetched and lacking in substantiation compared to what’s already known: corrupt Bidens using corrupt Ukrainians to get richer. ]


Zlochevsky is *still* the owner of Burisma. What’s so far-fetched about Putin continuing to funnel payments to Biden through Burisma? Again, the bread crumbs suggest a link between Putin and Zlochevsky.

What reason did Zlochevsky have to pay Biden on his own initiative? Burisma’s operations don’t involve anything in the US. Whereas Putin had plenty of reasons to bribe Biden. Note that Putin paid Hillary $500K through Russian oligarchs, so it’s not like bribing American bigwigs is a foreign concept to him:

https://freebeacon.com/politics/bill-clinton-paid-500000-speak-russia-hillary-opposed-state-dept-sanctions/

The media hasn’t looked into the possibility of Burisma being a conduit for Putin’s bribes for the same reason it hasn’t looked into Burisma - with a few exceptions, the media is just the propaganda wing of the Democrat party. All the New York Post has done is highlight the Hunter Biden - Burisma connection based on e-mails from the hard drive left at the computer repair store. It has done no further investigation because that takes serious resources. In fact, everything it has done on Biden is related to scouring the hard drive for further salacious materials.

Investigating corruption is hard difficult work that requires significant amounts of resources and perhaps the power to compel corporations to give up information. That’s not within the capabilities of a newspaper. In fact, I can’t think of a single time a newspaper broke a story that required more than interviewing a leaker. No one’s going to leak on Putin without a generous relocation and witness protection package. People who do that get killed - along with their families.

If Trump gets a second term, the DOJ might slip back into his control. And an investigation into why Zlochevsky was really paying Biden off might get off the ground. But if he hires another series of worthless AG’s like the ones he got throughout his first term, we will never get to the bottom of this.


60 posted on 06/18/2022 8:40:07 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Zlochevsky is *still* the owner of Burisma. What’s so far-fetched about Putin continuing to funnel payments to Biden through Burisma? Again, the bread crumbs suggest a link between Putin and Zlochevsky.

Because you haven't yet established that Putin is funnelling payments through Zlochevsky and Burisma for *anything*.

What reason did Zlochevsky have to pay Biden on his own initiative? Burisma’s operations don’t involve anything in the US.

There's a lot of things that don't involve the US that Americans nonetheless get involved with regardless. What interest did America have specifically in getting Victor Shokin fired?

But I can think of a much simpler reason: given that Joe Biden had a major role in America's Ukrainian policy as of 2014 (openly speaking about how "the United States [was] a driving force behind the IMF, working to provide a multi-billion package to help Ukraine address [their] immediate needs", Zlochevsky had a vested interest in getting someone in his corner given the ongoing money laundering investigation against him. Hiring Hunter Biden to the tune of $50K a month so that Hunter could help Burisma with "corporate governance best practices" would be a small price to pay if it meant the corruption investigations against him went nowhere; given that no charges were filed against him in December 2017 (with Zlochevsky returning in February 2018), it must have seemed a worthwhile investment at the start. Only after the Solomyansky District Court overturned the prior decision to close the criminal proceedings against Zlochevsky did he once again flee the country again at some point after June 2018 (allegedly Monaco, according to most reports that I can see).

No need to invoke unsubstantiated data to craft a "Putin controls Burisma" narrative; an explanation can be established already with just the known facts without invoking 'Putin hypotheticals' whatsoever.

Note that Putin paid Hillary $500K through Russian oligarchs, so it’s not like bribing American bigwigs is a foreign concept to him

Yeah, through *Russian* oligarchs. Not Ukrainians.

All of the rest of your post is special pleading: giving reasons as to why, hypothetically, no one has investigated the link between Putin and Burisma, when the only person suggesting that there is in fact a connection is you.

Because if Putin did have the inside link to Burisma that you think he does, then why would GRU have allegedly bothered hacking into Burisma's to get whatever information they had in November 2019?

63 posted on 06/18/2022 9:50:57 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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