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What next? Ukraine's allies divided over Russia endgame
Reuters via Yahoo ^ | June 13th, 2022 | John Irish, Andreas Rinke and Humeyra Pamuk

Posted on 06/13/2022 8:05:33 PM PDT by Mariner

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To: Zhang Fei

YOU ARE TOTALLY CORRECT.
The world has learned, what U.S. citizens have known, NOT to trust Biden!

IMO [little media coverage]
1a- Biden has continuously sabotaged Ukraine with unfulfilled financial military ‘promised’ support.
1b- Biden tried to lure President Zelensky to leave Ukraine for his personal safety.
1c- President Biden suggested Ukraine would have to cede part of its territory to Russia to end Putin’s invasion.
1d- The U.S. slow walks funds & military aid.

2a- I believe that the U.S. Military is in control of our government. The Pentagon has Biden on a short leash & will NOT comply with either Biden or actions of Congress.

2b- “While the Pentagon is happy to talk about the dollar values of the munitions and other military materiel it is sending to Ukraine by the planeload, other than Javelin tank-killer missiles, it won’t say what other lethal capabilities it’s providing.”

i.e. A three-way fighter-jet deal to bolster Ukraine’s defenses against Russia is dead.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/10/poland-fighter-jet-deal-ukraine-russia-00016038

QUESTIOB: Has the U.S. become a territory of China in a new world order? China buys U.S. farms, rent U.S. ports to obstruct & bottleneck the supply chain.


21 posted on 06/13/2022 10:06:06 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (et, so p )
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To: Mariner

https://youtu.be/0ArlUSVDQIw

https://youtu.be/ZeMlQEWEg2Q

https://youtu.be/cTds0422x7g

https://youtu.be/gtTGfWDamVE

https://youtu.be/tcdZTmzTYFU

A pathetic end to a pack of lies for pure politics

Our cash and Arms

The blood of civilians all for not one damn thing worth prolonging this shit

Hope globalist are happy now


22 posted on 06/13/2022 10:13:49 PM PDT by wardaddy (Where did all the sane posters go......they cannot have all died ....could they ?)
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To: All

CHINESE INVOLVEMENT IN U.S.: Goods Movement and Supply Chains

GOODS MOVEMENT: Distribution of freight (including raw materials, parts and finished consumer products) by all modes of transportation including marine, air, rail and truck.

SUPPLY CHAINS: Group of human and physical entities: including procurement specialists, wholesalers, logistics managers, manufacturing plants, distribution centers and retail outlets, that are linked by information and transportation in a seamless, integrated network to supply goods or services from where it is produced to where it is consumed.


23 posted on 06/13/2022 10:14:22 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (et, so p )
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24 posted on 06/13/2022 10:14:40 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (et, so p )
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

[I believe that the U.S. Military is in control of our government. The Pentagon has Biden on a short leash & will NOT comply with either Biden or actions of Congress.]


This is Biden in action. If he insists, they will comply. And he can literally put military officials in shackles if they do not. These people spent their entire lives getting to where they are. They will not risk their reputation, rank or pension to go against the president. When MacArthur went against Truman during the Korean War, Big Mac got the short end of the stick.

Biden advised Obama against the bin Laden operation.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/12/barack-obama-memoir-joe-biden-bin-laden-raid

When a high level Chinese official attempted to defect to a US consulate, Biden ordered the State Department to hand him back to the Chinese.

https://archive.ph/OB0P2

In a literal sense, Biden’s not technically acting against US interests at the behest of foreign powers. He’s doing things he’d be doing anyway. He’s just getting paid for it.


[QUESTIOB: Has the U.S. become a territory of China in a new world order? China buys U.S. farms, rent U.S. ports to obstruct & bottleneck the supply chain.]

The thing with Democrats is they always cave to hostile foreign powers. Iran, Russia, China, Islamic terrorists - makes no difference to them. In the Democrat world view, they’re not enemies - just friends we haven’t gotten to know on a personal basis.


25 posted on 06/13/2022 10:24:01 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

[I believe that the U.S. Military is in control of our government. The Pentagon has Biden on a short leash & will NOT comply with either Biden or actions of Congress.]


What you need to understand is that the Democrat rhetoric about Russia was just posturing. If the Democrats really hated Russia, they’d have sent F-35’s equipped with long range cruise missiles to Ukraine. In reality, they were just pretending to be hawks in order to woo moronic independents who fell for their fraudulent spiel about Trump being on the Russian payroll. The downside of a Ukrainian collapse for the Dems is that hawkish American voters who voted for the Democrats will switch back to the GOP.


26 posted on 06/13/2022 10:50:57 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

“understand is that the Democrat rhetoric about Russia was just posturing.”

I do understand. That is why I the political Biden-Putin coupling & betrayal of President Zelensky


27 posted on 06/13/2022 11:02:17 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (et, so p )
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

TYPO

I do understand that the Democrat rhetoric is just posturing about Russia. any U.S. ally

BIDEN DESTRUCTION OF U.S. FOREIGN POLICY
That is why I stated the political Biden-Putin coupling/alliance became the U.S. betrayal for President Zelensky. Ultimately, U.S. allies have learned to NOT trust any U.S.commitments.


28 posted on 06/13/2022 11:12:14 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (et, so p )
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To: Zhang Fei

“When a high level Chinese official attempted to defect to a US consulate, Biden ordered the State Department to hand him back to the Chinese.”

Of course, Biden has no regard for anyone else except what is in his own personal BEST interest. THAT is Biden’s foreign policy.

Biden’s IS acting against U.S. interests at the behest of foreign powers. As well as getting paid for it. Under the leadership of Biden and his democrat administration we are beginning to witness societal collapse characterized by the loss of cultural identity, socioeconomic complexity, the downfall of government, and the rise of violence.

BIDEN IS DESTROYING U.S. CULTURE AND CIVIL SOCIETY. The United States of America as we have known it, no longer exists. CLOSING OIL LEASES

Point of fact, he may have returned one Chinese official pleading for sanctuary. Yet, Biden has allowed the highest illegal immigration.

Millions of Americans pay their taxes only to see Biden spending their tax money on: hotel stays, debit cards and cellphones for illegal migrants crossing the southern border. The president’s fiscal budget, presented in March cut funding for Immigration and Customs Enforcement by 8%, despite expected surge in illegal immigration, while reducing detention beds! Biden’s increasing funding at 700% for non citizen alien processing and care with faster service with increasing flights and ground transportation.

The federal government for illegals is Catholic Charities’ receiving the largest source of funds, and the Jewish Family Service receiving its money mostly from Catholic Charities. This illegal immigration tangled mess funding that ALWAYS leads back to the US taxpayers.


29 posted on 06/14/2022 2:27:07 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (et, so p )
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To: Kazan

“Russia has won this war in a walk.”

Then why is it ongoing?


30 posted on 06/14/2022 3:55:35 AM PDT by FreshPrince
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To: FreshPrince

Ukraine has resorted to drafting women so the end can’t be too far away IMO.


31 posted on 06/14/2022 4:11:10 AM PDT by rb22982
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To: rb22982

Source?


32 posted on 06/14/2022 5:35:31 AM PDT by FreshPrince
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To: Zhang Fei

>>Biden is strangling the Ukrainians<<

>>>As I pointed out earlier - Burisma = Putin. Vladimir the Greater has Biden by the short and curlies.<<<

So Biden is actually doing Putins bidding?

Putards arent going to like that!


33 posted on 06/14/2022 5:39:32 AM PDT by FreshPrince
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To: Mariner

Ukraine. Is that still a thing?


34 posted on 06/14/2022 5:41:15 AM PDT by jimjohn (We're at war, people. Start acting like it.)
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Of course it is

The question was foolish


35 posted on 06/14/2022 5:49:50 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Promoting Afro Heritage diversity will destroy the democrats)
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To: Mariner
"Russia's engame" == Crimea + ethnic Russian areas (whether nominally independent or officially incorporated into the Russian Federation).

Putin has been very up front about this from day zero.

36 posted on 06/14/2022 6:13:24 AM PDT by Salman (It's not a "slippery slope" if it was part of the program all along. )
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To: mylife

When allies are leaned on for your survival, your durvival is in their whimsical hands.

Fight it yourself the low tech way and let “allies”...special interests...supply you or not based on your own intentions.

Ukraine went for the teat....didn’t learn from continental congress/washington,..... vietnam, taliban, taliban again. They will lose if they don’t kick away the ally politicians.


37 posted on 06/14/2022 6:37:57 AM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It ( )
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To: PGR88

“The big battle will be for Odessa.”

It is not in Russia’s national interest to stop before seizing the entire Black Sea coast of Ukraine.


38 posted on 06/14/2022 7:42:45 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Zhang Fei

Just to let you know there are several items in the news today showing the Ukrainians advancing and making some unexpected river crossings to attack Soviet positions.

The Soviet offensive is failing and the Ukrainians are retaking territory.


39 posted on 06/14/2022 8:09:50 AM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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To: allendale

The Ukrainians are underestimating the Russian’s ability to locate Ukrainian concentrations by locating the origin of open and encrypted radio communications and other technologies.


That may be, but the big problem for ZSU is they have no answer for the Orc artillery Orlon-10 drone - this drone is how the majority of Orc artillery strikes happen and how the fire is corrected; this system is described in detail in Attack on Europe postings over the past months.

The other problem is the trickle of foreign weapons - the ZSU fires 3000-5000 shells a day and the Orcs fire back 50,000. The amount of aid the US is giving is announced in dollar terms which make the public turn against the effort. At no other time did the US announce it military aid to a country at war in dollars; the items needed were simply send on the fastest possible transport directly to the country concerned. They need thousands of artillery pieces and millions of shells - as well as dedicated artillery drones now - not months from now as scheduled, not sitting in some warehouse in another country.


40 posted on 06/14/2022 9:27:00 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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