Posted on 06/06/2022 8:33:22 PM PDT by RomanSoldier19
Vladimir Putin and his allies have taken to Russian media to blast NATO nations for continuing their support for Ukraine, warning “armed conflict will be drawn out” if the US and European countries continue to send arms to Kyiv.
US President Joe Biden last month pledged a massive supply of short range missiles to Ukraine as the war-torn nation continues to skirmish with Russian troops in key locations in the east and major capital cities.
And UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace has since vowed to send long-range missiles to Ukraine.
As the seesaw battle raged on for the strategically important city of Severodonetsk - the largest in the eastern Luhansk region not under Russian control - more help was promised from abroad from the US and United Kingdom.
Putin vaguely warned of extra nations being targeted if the US sends long range missiles capable of hitting Russia from Ukraine.
In an interview on Russian state TV this weekend, Putin said: “In general, all this fuss about additional arms supplies, in my opinion, has only one goal - to drag out the armed conflict as long as possible.
“If (long-range missiles) are supplied, we will draw appropriate conclusions from this and use our weapons, of which we have enough, to strike at those targets that we are not striking yet.”
(Excerpt) Read more at news.com.au ...
An sufficiently vague threat so they can’t be accused of backing down when they do nothing.
Bombs Away Lindsey, and Mitch The Maniacal say:
” Send Ukraine more billions. To hell with the U.S. border “.
“1993 Budapest Memorandums signed by Russia, U.S., U.K., and each of the named countries.:”
Signed by Bill Clinton against the advice of BOTH the House and Senate.
And ratified by no country.
Yet you make it part of your profile as if it’s somehow binding...or even important. It’s neither.
If you can’t fight Russia here, unless you let them win, how will you fight them in Poland, or Germany after that.
We need to stop letting Russia threaten the world. If they want to fight in Ukraine that’s on them, but they’ll have to take the consequences and stop threatening the world with war.
The only answer to threats like this is to tell them they will not live to see the day after they expand this war.
Anything short of that will be a disaster.
The problem with that is that Joe Biden is our President.
There is something deeply flawed about those who blame America and the West, every time Russia threatens or attacks someone.
On that we can agree.
Unfortunately, the anti Ukraine crowd doesn’t want to accept the weakness of Biden and the leftists.
They think the left wants to fight Russia. That is far from the truth. Biden was pulled into this kicking and screaming. And he’s trying to get Ukraine to compromise. They don’t see that because they are sold on Soros conspiracy theories.
The Russians start an illegal war and then threaten countries that support the invaded nation.
Typical Russian thuggery.
It Putin packs up his troops and leaves he won’t have to worry about western weapons being used against him.
Pretty simple, really
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Trump would have told Putin that and made it clear the consequences.
I’m pretty sure Trump did tell Putin the consequences.
That’s why he waited into President Chucklehead was installed.
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Are we setting ourselves up for another technology fumble as in Afghanistan? If we provide advanced tech and Ukraine surrenders large chunks of land and weapons, we’re in the same scenario with the likes of the Chechens benefiting.
Indeed
#F Ratzia
“The problem with that is that Joe Biden is our President.”
It took Reagan to refuse to bow to nuclear blackmail.
“Signed by Bill Clinton against the advice of BOTH the House and Senate. And ratified by no country.”
I see. Thanks, we’ve been waiting for a good analogy that demonstrates what a bunch of utter cock Putin’s NATO expansion beef really is.
Do you apply the exact same thought train to the UNWRITTEN assurances between diplomats, without even the signatures of their respective Presidents, prior to the collapse of the Soviet Union, that NATO would not expand into East Germany (specifically ONLY East Germany)?
Gorbachev went on the record years ago to say, people who think this informal agreement not to expand NATO still applied even AFTER the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the Russian/Ukrainian/Belorussian accession to the UN as three equally soeveregn states, and after the independence of the Warsaw Pact nations was also accepted, and after the reunification of Germany...
Are very VERY much mistaken.
If Budapest ain’t binding, then neither is the promise to Soviet Russia not to expand NATO. QED.
Ukraine - Russia
A pox on both your houses!
As to Putin and his threat to use Russian nukes. As America is presently going down the tubes be patient. In a short while it will be just you, the Red Chinese, and a pack of demented, power hungry oligarchs.
If it was my choice I’d drop a shitload of nukes on you for just making yhe threat you effin’ tinhorn.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2014/11/06/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/ >The interviewer asked why Gorbachev did not “insist that the promises made to you [Gorbachev]—particularly U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s promise that NATO would not expand into the East—be legally encoded?” Gorbachev replied: “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.”
On one hand, Biden’s the president so depending on which Biden critics you talk to he greenlit Putin’s invasion, screwed up on Afghanistan, he’s too belligerent, he’s not nearly belligerent enough, he’s wasting lots of money, taking us to the brink of nuclear war, etc.
Russia can see an America divided over what POTUS should do, so pretty much nothing he says or does has any impact other than sowing more division in America, which suits them just fine.
On the other hand, Donald Trump is a different, but also divisive figure.
Trump’s critics say the exact same kinds of stuff about Trump that Biden’s critics say about Joe and Hunter Biden.
Think about it. Swap X for either Biden or Trump in the below paragraph and tell me you haven’t heard something like it.
X is too chummy with oligarchs. X had money in, investments in, or debts paid off by, Russian state actors. X partied with Russian prostitutes. X is protected by a cover-up.
That’s what Russia sees.
The only material questions related to the difference between Trump and Biden, in the Kremlin’s eyes, are:
1. which one is more likely pre-emptively push the nuclear button;
2. which one is more likely to just hand them south Ukraine for the sake of a peace deal.
With Biden they’re confident he wouldn’t launch nukes pre-emptively. With Trump, they’re not as confident. Trump talks tough and fought no wars. But he’s a straight shooter. So is he all talk and no action? They don’t know. He’s the bigger risk.
On the deals side, Biden appears happy to fight to the last Uke and has clear terms that begin and end with complete withdrawal from Ukraine. By contrast Trump’s the make-a-deal guy and Trump’s probably okay with giving Russia Donetsk and Crimea to sweeten the deal.
So the peace deal rewards with Trump look bigger.
Either way, what can EITHER man say or do that’d convince Russia to bin this reconquest fixation they have? Putin, Dugin, and many others in Russia, are absolutely convinced there’s a moral case to assimilate Russia’s neighbors back into a resurgent superpower.
We can’t sensibly argue that the Russian elite that’s been sitting on £900bn of looted Russian money for the last 30 years and done bugger all with it but buy yachts and sports clubs, couldn’t have achieved reunification of the three great states of the Imperial Rus by winning hearts and minds. They have made a conscious choice to use totalitarianism, conquest, bribery and corruption.
“Do you apply the exact same thought train to the UNWRITTEN assurances between diplomats, without even the signatures of their respective Presidents, prior to the collapse of the Soviet Union, that NATO would not expand into East Germany (specifically ONLY East Germany)?”
Yes.
Verbal assurances not worth spit.
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