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UKRAINIAN MILITARY UNITS CONTINUE REBELLING AGAINST THEIR COMMANDERS
A son of tge American Revolution ^ | 28 May 22 | Larry Johnson

Posted on 06/05/2022 7:18:36 PM PDT by delta7

When I wrote this piece initially last week, I identified 6 Ukrainian units that filmed themselves rebelling against their chain of command. These “rebellion” videos came on the heels of the surrender of more than 2500 members of the AZOV battalion at Mariupol. Now the number is 12–that is 12 different units in the Donbas. They all voice the same complaints about their chain of command for not properly supplying them with the weapons and equipment they need to fight. This is not your normal troop bitching about conditions. All soldiers in all wars throughout history have passed the time complaining about lousy food, terrible weather, inept commanders and stupid decisions. What you see below is unprecedented in my memory.

These soldiers still believe in fighting for Ukraine but are not keen on being used as a Russian punching bag. They believe their commanders are asking them to commit suicide. Below you can watch videos of soldiers from 12 units presenting a formal demand to President Zelensky and the Ukrainian General in Command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. This is appearing on Ukrainian social media. It is not a Russian propaganda piece. Here are the units:

13th Battalion of 58th Motorized Infantry Brigade 2nd Company of the 46th Rifle Battalion 3rd Platoon of the 46th Infantry Battalion 115th Brigade 3rd Platoon of the 115th Brigade 71st Jaeger Infantry Brigade Ukrainian 14th Brigade: 6th Battalion, 4th, 5th, and 6th companies Cherkasy Territorial Defense 95th Separate Airborne Assault Brigade 30th Mechanized Brigade 3rd Battalion 9th Company 57th Motorized Brigade 18th Marine Battalion of the 35th Brigade

UKRAINIAN MILITARY UNITS CONTINUE REBELLING AGAINST THEIR COMMANDERS 28 May 2022 by Larry Johnson 31 Comments

FacebookTwitterEmailShare When I wrote this piece initially last week, I identified 6 Ukrainian units that filmed themselves rebelling against their chain of command. These “rebellion” videos came on the heels of the surrender of more than 2500 members of the AZOV battalion at Mariupol. Now the number is 12–that is 12 different units in the Donbas. They all voice the same complaints about their chain of command for not properly supplying them with the weapons and equipment they need to fight. This is not your normal troop bitching about conditions. All soldiers in all wars throughout history have passed the time complaining about lousy food, terrible weather, inept commanders and stupid decisions. What you see below is unprecedented in my memory.

These soldiers still believe in fighting for Ukraine but are not keen on being used as a Russian punching bag. They believe their commanders are asking them to commit suicide. Below you can watch videos of soldiers from 12 units presenting a formal demand to President Zelensky and the Ukrainian General in Command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. This is appearing on Ukrainian social media. It is not a Russian propaganda piece. Here are the units:

13th Battalion of 58th Motorized Infantry Brigade 2nd Company of the 46th Rifle Battalion 3rd Platoon of the 46th Infantry Battalion 115th Brigade 3rd Platoon of the 115th Brigade 71st Jaeger Infantry Brigade Ukrainian 14th Brigade: 6th Battalion, 4th, 5th, and 6th companies Cherkasy Territorial Defense 95th Separate Airborne Assault Brigade 30th Mechanized Brigade 3rd Battalion 9th Company 57th Motorized Brigade 18th Marine Battalion of the 35th Brigade

13th Battalion of 58th Motorized Infantry Brigade

2nd Company of the 46th Rifle Battalion

3rd Platoon of the 46th Infantry Battalion

115th Brigade

3rd Platoon of the 115th Brigade

71st Jaeger Infantry Brigade

Ukrainian 14th Brigade: 6th Battalion, 4th, 5th, and 6th companies

Cherkasy Territorial Defense

95th Separate Air Assault Brigade

30th Mechanized Brigade 3rd Battalion 9th Company

57th Motorized Brigade

18th Marine Battalion of the 35th Brigade I know this is a ton of material. Those of you who believe this is all stage managed by the Russians need to explain why this is being posted on Ukrainian social media accounts. These are real Ukrainian soldiers and they are taking major risks in speaking up. This is not just one or two disgruntled privates bitching about cold chow. The members of each unit clearly felt the need to be seen supporting their spokesman.

If you took the time to watch each one you come away with enormous respect for the courage and integrity of the men speaking. I believe they are patriots who have been deceived into fighting for a false cause. But they are brave, honorable soldiers.

Being brave and honorable does not immunize one against thermobaric and conventional artillery blasts pounding the ground around your fox hole or trench. We are not talking metaphor. The blast waves pummel the body and brain of those subjected to these barrages. It is because to the stepped up Russian offensive that these Ukrainian troops are speaking up. I think the Ukrainian expression is, “Черт, нет, мы не пойдем” (i.e., Hell no, we won’t go).

At a minimum, I think this may account for rumors about coup plans to oust Zelensky. Zelensky clearly is losing critical support among the Ukrainian troops. I think it is only a matter of time before commanders start to follow.


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Be sure to watch the live footage. 13 videos filmed in tge field….the Ukie war cheerleaders will most probably not like the reality.
1 posted on 06/05/2022 7:18:36 PM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7
They all voice the same complaints about their chain of command for not properly supplying them with the weapons and equipment they need to fight.

So, they're not really rebelling, but are angry that they don't have the supplies to fight the enemy properly. A rebellion is when the troops stop believing in the cause and want to leave the fight and perhaps even surrender to the enemy.

2 posted on 06/05/2022 7:26:32 PM PDT by adorno
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To: delta7

Unbelievably sad...:-(


3 posted on 06/05/2022 7:28:00 PM PDT by Cathi
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To: adorno

“A rebellion is when the troops stop believing in the cause and want to leave the fight and perhaps even surrender to the enemy.”

You mean like this?


Kotsnews
⚡️Representatives of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are conducting secret negotiations with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on the burial of their dead. And about surrender. The negotiations were successful. The “O” group reports:

“I will not repeat that this has already become the norm for the Kiev regime and they operate on the principle: “no body, no business.” I want to talk about something else here.

I tried to write this post for a long time, something kept stopping me. Probably did not want one of its participants to repeat the fate of Sergei Lapko (company commander who received a term for showing the plight of the Armed Forces of Ukraine).

So, after the liberation of another settlement from the Nazis in the Donetsk region, we went to the enemy command (fortunately, intelligence works well and their call signs with the frequencies on which they work are well known to us) and offered them to pick up the bodies of their dead comrades, naturally with a complete cessation fire from our side and unimpeded passage of the car to the designated place.

After a short conversation, they received a categorical refusal and a request not to disturb them anymore on this occasion (this is a literary language, there was a long stream of obscene expressions). Toward evening they were all buried. (I’m not attaching a photo, I’ll explain further).

In the middle of the night, they come to me on the radio from the checkpoint and ask me to urgently arrive. Understanding nothing, I am undermined, I leave for the post. On the spot, they tell me that a fighter came from the other side, calls your call sign, said he will only talk to you. I go into the room, a young guy is sitting, the uniform is dirty, shabby. Showed documents. And he began to say: “I’m the commander of a platoon of those boys whose bodies you proposed to take today, I couldn’t get on the radio, my own people would be immediately decided. Bury my soldiers, please, and tell me where, I will tell their relatives the location. The command flatly refuses inform families about the dead and wounded, so as not to cause panic among relatives. We are now called up only because otherwise we will go to jail, and here we can’t retreat, cadre or nationalists are behind us, we will get a bullet from them.

He told how they were prepared in training before being sent to the front end. “For two weeks we studied the charters, 30 parthorons for shooting training and on the road.” All his words were confirmed by photographs. He says: “Fortunately, they don’t take away phones, we record everything.”

They talked for a long time, spoke about the mood in the units: “everything is sad, everyone is afraid, and those who are in front and those who are behind.” But he came not only with this request. “My main task,” he continued, “is to save the lives of my fighters. Tell me how we can surrender. We don’t want to fight for the oligarchs who are sitting abroad and our corrupt government! Why is it possible for Azov, but not for us?” .

After receiving all the instructions, he left, left with the hope that his remaining subordinates would remain alive. A day later, after the start of the assault on the next settlement, the platoon of this commander surrendered in full force, as he promised. Now their lives are not in danger.

Summing up, I want to ask only one question. When will the population of Ukraine realize that their president, a drug addict and boy-loving Arestovich, does not care about the lives of the citizens of his country!? They calmly surrendered the Azov in Mariupol, declaring that this was an evacuation, and they will continue to do so. Until the last Ukrainian... I wanted to briefly, but it didn’t quite work out.”


4 posted on 06/05/2022 7:35:23 PM PDT by Cathi
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To: Cathi
You mean like this?

No, I mean like the story that started the discussion in which we're in.

And, what the heck is this?

When will the population of Ukraine realize that their president, a drug addict and boy-loving Arestovich, does not care about the lives of the citizens of his country!?

Sounds like somebody with a personal vendetta and who hates/hated Zendesky from the start, so, the credibility of that source is very questionable. Find something bettrer.
6 posted on 06/05/2022 7:47:11 PM PDT by adorno
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Who writes this filth? I’ve met Z and his beautiful wife. And he’s a “boy lover”? Guess he loves dead Russian boy soldiers, because if he’s a faggot we need more of them.
Maybe some of you like this kind of stupid propaganda, but the Russians are only making themselves look worse as he slaughters them.


7 posted on 06/05/2022 7:47:41 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Williams

Knew you were emotionally attached.


8 posted on 06/05/2022 7:49:29 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: adorno

In all likelihood, no matter what anyone thinks of the merits of either side, more surrenders are likely coming. When troops have little food, water, ammunition, or training, and there is no air cover, reinforcement, and very little leadership, constant pounding and encirclement will make the choice simple for these men. They can surrender and choose life, or they can die. Most people here don’t realize that most of the AFU “soldiers” left in the Donbas are “territorials”. They have little to no training and are often conscripts. At this point, it appears that the UFA has neither a plan nor the resources for dealing with the Russian units in the Donbas. Moreover, the AFU’s ability to get the new donated weapons from the West to the front is almost nil, and there is no ability to train these frontline soldiers on their use when a few get through. As a result, the complaining AFU soldiers rightly feel that they are being used as cannon fodder. It’s a hideous situation for these men. Probably the only defensible line for the AFU is at the Dnieper. If the AFU is made to continue on as it is currently, I believe that the AFU will be destroyed bit by bit.


9 posted on 06/05/2022 7:50:51 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Williams
Maybe some of you like this kind of stupid propaganda

You may be the single biggest hypocrite on FR, and that is saying something.
10 posted on 06/05/2022 7:52:10 PM PDT by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths; 2021: My main take away from this year? Trust no one.)
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To: adorno

You have to be a real quisling to buy into this “you’re a murderer for fighting invaders” nonsense.

Yeah look at all the Americans murdered by Patton, Eisenhower, Churchill,etc

Everyone knew they were beat at Dunkirk and they “fought to the last Brit and Yankee “

That’s why we put them on trial after the war.

Not.


11 posted on 06/05/2022 7:52:14 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: JoSixChip

Oh you’re a FR hater too?

Get lost.


12 posted on 06/05/2022 7:52:53 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: delta7

Just a general comment. The Putin lovers, Ukraine haters are sick bastards. I’m convinced if we ever have a war these dopes will sell out to the enemy.
When pressed they often express hatred for America, Trump, etc.


13 posted on 06/05/2022 7:55:44 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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—> When pressed they often express hatred for America, Trump, etc.

Name names.

Post links.


14 posted on 06/05/2022 8:01:29 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: adorno

The source is excellent. And even though you may not know much about this the people in this war do know that Zelensky is a coke user and, if you like I can post the internet videos of Arestovich (apparently taken from cameras in a Moscow hotel) engaging in homosexual sex.

This is common knowledge there, as is the fact that “Zelensky does not care about the lives of the citizens of his country.” Zelensky and his top general fight continuously about the general’s desire to pull his troops from untenable positions and Zelensky’s denial to do so.

Keep deluding yourself if it makes you more comfortable; but every word of that post was true. As they say, “ignorance is bliss.”


15 posted on 06/05/2022 8:04:08 PM PDT by Cathi
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To: delta7

Very good propaganda comrade


16 posted on 06/05/2022 8:05:40 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Williams

Lighten up, Francis.


17 posted on 06/05/2022 8:07:43 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: delta7

You know it is fake because these men do not look like LARPers and they don’t have brand new cloths and shiny helmets. /sarc

These videos look very real. I can’t vouch for what they’re saying because I neither speak Ukrainian or Russian but the clothing, equipment, and the condition of the troops looks genuine.


18 posted on 06/05/2022 8:23:51 PM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftists are the same species of vicious rat.)
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Williams, do you kiss your uncle-daddy with that potty mouth? You’re like a school in summer, no class.


19 posted on 06/05/2022 8:25:51 PM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftists are the same species of vicious rat.)
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To: Williams
"Who writes this filth? I've met Z and his beautiful wife. And he's a “boy lover”? Guess he loves dead Russian boy soldiers, because if he's a faggot we need more of them.
Maybe some of you like this kind of stupid propaganda, but the Russians are only making themselves look worse as he slaughters them."

It must've been quite a party! The only question I have for you, neocon party boy, is who brought the lube and who wore the gimp suit?

ESAD globalist.

20 posted on 06/05/2022 8:31:19 PM PDT by WMarshal (Neocons and leftists are the same species of vicious rat.)
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