Lindsey Graham: Allow Military Vets, ROTC Instructors to Carry Guns for Classroom Defense

Breitbart ^ | 06/04/2022 | Awr Hawkins

[grey_whiskers]

FULG.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

Remember, the no guns in schools was supposed to be because the police and SWAT teams would keep kids safe.

No bait and switch.

FULG, you worthless queen.

[SPDSHDW]

just a bunch of active service infiltrators shooting up Unarmed Military bases.
Oh wait... My bad. That’s work place violence.

[Ex gun maker.]

I have sat in on hearings about this very issue, and legal Campus Carry for college students in Nevada.
The D’s scuttle it every time, no matter how much public support the idea has.
Anything that does not promote their goal of total gun confiscation is anathema to them.
One of their favored tactics is to bus in anti’s from other states.
It annoys me more than I can say per site rules that out of staters are allowed to testify in our states hearings.

So my push is going to be wide adoption of “Less than lethal” defense tools for school staff.
Less than lethal does not have to mean less than effective.
As a long time gun dealer I know of several products that could be employed. From simple very bright strobe lights to MACE and Jet Protectors, etc.
When the libs go insane in their efforts to prevent this they will be fully exposed as the hypocrites they are.
Wether that makes any difference only time will tell.

[markomalley]

21 year AF retiree here.

When I retired about 20 years ago, the vast majority of both officers and enlisted would’ve been dangerous if you were to arm them.

Everybody in enlisted basic training had some weapon familiarization in basic training. On almost-dead M16s with 22LR adapters (because the USAF, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to save money. 5.56 NATO cost a lot more than .22LR.

In most cases, that would the last time they would ever see a weapon.

But there were some notable exceptions, depending upon what unit the person would be assigned to moreso than AFSC.

First, if you were assigned overseas, you would have to qualify on the M16...really qualify on it. But they allowed that qualification to go for 3 years...so, again, that might be the last time you’d see a weapon until your next overseas assignment.

And before you’d go on a contingency dependent, if it was more than a year since you’d qualified, you’d have to qualify again. Obviously, this applied to people being deployed in sustainment and not to actual deployable units with a 24, 48, or 72 hour response time.

If you were in a deployable unit, then things got a little more real. Again, depending upon what the role of the unit was. If you were in a fighter squadron and we going to be on a base that also had a security unit, you’d get training, but not much (because the sky cops were going to do security and chances are there’d be an army unit on the other side of the concertina wire). If you were in a combat control unit, a combat communications unit, a red horse unit, a TACS unit, etc, then you’d get some actual training, do real exercises, and have some actual defense capability. The reason why is that you had to have the ability to be on your own. I remember when I was stationed in a TACS unit in Europe, our weapons in the armory and our ammunition was significantly better than the base cops. They didn’t have any M203s and claymores. We did.

So from what I’ve seen, everything in the AF depended on the unit where you were assigned.

[apoliticalone]

Hannity just can’t get enough of this freakinm creep and it is way more than I ever want to hear. Hannity needs to shut up long enough to hear his listeners, but he never shuts up and instead he shuts his guests up.

[apoliticalone]

Exactly Linda is an expert at being 2 faced.

[apoliticalone]

But let’s be honest, the reality is that 95% of Americans have never signed a blank check to Uncle Sam to sacrifice. or give up their life or die in service while in uniform let alone combat or worse. Those in uniform are still vets even though 70% were never in direct combat theater. They could have been at a moments notice. That’s the way it always is. Linda Graham was in uniform in a courtroo or back office. Still a vet.

[Svartalfiar]

How does one spend years in the military yet have no meaningful weapons training/experience?

First, most Naval and Air Force servicemembers will NEVER engage in direct individual combat. Their jobs simply don't encounter that. There's not much reason for them to conduct a sizeable amount of individual weapons training, and it actually can hamper their performance otherwise by taking up training time from other tasks actually related to their jobs. The few that might (pararescue, downed pilot, combat air controller, etc), aren't a significant amount of those services, and mostly aren't intended to engage in such. Marines are just Naval infantry, so you can lump them under the Army part below. They claim to all be riflemen, but there's plenty of support Marines that can't shoot well, and are definitely missing the tactical training side of this.

Even within the combat group, the Army, the majority of soldiers don't engage in direct combat. The Army has 7-8 support soldiers for every single combat soldier. And sure, they may see combat as most warfare today isn't a clearly defined front line, their job isn't supposed to. See the argument above. And, while everyone is supposed to be qualified on their weapon system yearly, oftimes that is nothing more than dusting off the M4s from last year's qual, and you'll shoot 50-60 rounds if you're first-time go. Think the new individual gunnery is 15 rounds on zero range (more as needed), 3-5 rounds on zero confirmation (300m target, this is brand new and definitely a good idea), then the 40 (50 on new maybe?) rounds on qualification. Repeat if you can't pass. Then no more range time until next year's qual. Not even close to a process that will produce "meaningful weapons training/experience". No actual training range time, and even less combat movement/tactical training.



Even in a combat unit, you may not see that much actual shooting. Active Duty can definitely get more time in, and depending on the unit, might actually get quite a lot of shooting and tactical stuff. But as I said, these guys are only ~12% of the Army, and even then, maybe 10-20% of the unit is admin/command/support. Not to mention a significant portion of combat arms isn't infantry - artillery, armor, attack aviation, cavalry, combat engineers, etc, all of which place more emphasis on other capabilities instead of individual shooting/tactics.

Switch to NG/Reserve, and we're closer to the non-combat AD units in terms of training time (and still have to complete all the other non-combat yearly training/tasks within that limited training time). We get to go to the range for yearly qual, and then maybe every 2 years might get some more shooting in. But even then, a significant portion of that training is on non-individual weapons, such as the M2, 240, 320, MK19, and so on (Cav unit, so MP/infantry would probably get more individual-type training)(and by non-individual, I mean not vehicle-mounted/crew, and what your vet school guard would have, so obviously not a 320 or such).

Finally, across every single branch/job/whatever, as you go up in rank (officer or NCO), your job tends to move away from the shooting and more towards command and logistics. You may have had some decent training/experience a while ago, but a large portion of the job turns into deskwork. For every single officer, you made O3 within four-six years. At that point, you're almost entirely on the admin side of things, even in a combat MOS. And of course, all of these assume 20+ retirements. Many vets have much less: six, eight, maybe ten years total, with the first six months or year being nothing more than initial training, and the second year being more learning the unit/job than doing much cool stuff.


So yea... Ignoring personal hobbies (a lot of military go shooting on their own, just like civilians), a huge majority of your military vets actually aren't going to have much real weapons training.

[Svartalfiar]

That's odd. Regardless of MOS, upon joining the service, they used to have weeks of small arms training/qualifications during basic, AIT and on-going training qualifications etc. I guess nowadays you can join the navy, or air force and forgo any arms training and go straight into a cushy office job.

Dunno about Navy/AF, but Cav basic, we spent maybe a week total on the M4 training/shooting. Nothing on pistols or shotguns, a day on the 230/320, and then maybe a day or two each on the SAW, 240, MK19, and M2. One day on the Brads.

As I mentioned in my above post (to you I think?) ongoing training on small arms is extremely minimal unless you're AD, in an infantry or maybe MP unit.

[Svartalfiar]

Any teacher should be allowed to carry as long as they are vetted and have regular training. And more pay if they do it.

On the State level, Texas allows for this (although there is a big (80-hr I think) training requirement), and it also depends on the district allowing/sponsoring it.

[dragnet2]

a huge majority of your military vets actually aren't going to have much real weapons training.

lol...Glad I missed that part of the new woke military...It was not out of the ordinary to go to the arms room and check out some pistols, grab half dozen boxes of .45, walk to the range and shoot all we liked. Or check out an M16 and do the same.

[dragnet2]

a huge majority of your military vets actually aren't going to have much real weapons training.

Btw, no surprise. Scary, but no surprise. Today's military now celebrates transgenders, pedophiles and other assorted misfits.

[doorgunner69]

Your opinion. Pardon me for not sharing it.

[Eleutheria5]

What! And worry about them having PTSD flashbacks and opening fire, thinking the kids are VC come to get them? Don’t you know veterans are all ticking time bombs!/SARC

[dragnet2]

Well, according to some people here, most veterans have little or no firearms training, and most are accustomed to being in cushy sit down jobs as they have no need to be proficient in small arms.

[Eleutheria5]

I’ve only known the ones with the PTSD, although I was just joking when I made the sweeping generalization that some leftards do. It’s something they struggle with, and can overcome.

[faithhopecharity]

plus any other trained staff or faculty

cut down attacks by at least half, probably 80 or 90 percent

[dragnet2]

I knew you were being facetious with that comment, but still, that’s how they roll...Of course most everything is a threat, dangerous and pending doom with that crowd. Got to have a boogy man to keep people in line.

I was thinking, it’s no wonder some of these kids go kookoo violent after the all threatening indoctrination that the earth only has 7 or 12 years left, or whatever gibberish they came up with.

[NKP_Vet]

Linda Graham, the SC jockey do-nothing who was made 0-6 in the AF Reserves without attending any required drills. For the last week I was in SC visiting my brother, a lifelong Republican and retired bedridden disabled veteran. He has written Graham about his VA care and told me he never received a reply. He despises him. Scott is no better.