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Ukraine suffers on battlefield while pleading for US arms
The Washington Post via Stars and Stripes ^ | May 29th, 2022 | By Siobhán O’Grady, Paul Sonne, Max Bearak and Anastacia Galouchka

Posted on 05/30/2022 1:42:46 PM PDT by Mariner

DONETSK OBLAST, Ukraine — The ambulances hurtled into the parking lot one after the other, each carrying wounded troops directly from the nearby front line. One young man stared straight ahead, his face swollen, his neck and back dripping with blood. Others lay silently under foil blankets.

Some stumbled out the back doors and collapsed into wheelchairs as staff rushed to push them inside. Nearby, bloodied cots sat propped against a tent and other wounded soldiers lingered about, their faces grim, their heads, arms or legs bandaged as the sound of outgoing artillery boomed across the sky.

About 10 wounded soldiers arrived at this hospital in eastern Ukraine in less than an hour Sunday morning — the latest military casualties as Ukraine forces, outgunned by Russia in the country’s east, continue to lose territory at a critical moment in the war.

Soldiers also helped one civilian woman with leg wounds out of a military ambulance.

The Washington Post is withholding the name and precise location of the hospital out of concerns from staff that it could be targeted by Russian forces.

“Seventy people from my battalion were injured in the last week,” said a soldier and ambulance driver just outside the hospital gates who identified himself only as Vlad, 29. “I lost too many friends; it’s hard for me. I don’t know how many. ... It’s getting worse every day.”

The night before, he said, the shelling was so loud he hardly got any sleep. “It’s all artillery bombing down,” he said. “All the wounded are coming from shrapnel. Most guys in the trenches haven’t even seen the enemy face-to-face.”

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To: Williams

Attitudes like yours are why Russia has stopped listening to Americans. The US State Dept. (Blinken, Sherman, Nudelman) maliciously interfered with the Minsk Agreement.

The Russians are in the process of enforcing those terms and there is not one damn thing loudmouths in the US can do about it.

The negotiation period is all over.


41 posted on 05/30/2022 2:18:38 PM PDT by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with and ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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To: BobL

“Seems their Whiz-Bang artillery 155mm are next to useless without GPS.”

ALL of the M-777s shipped without GPS targeting computers and every shot has to be computed offline.

Like in WWII. Even ranging rounds are needed.

The US would not risk capture of these computers. All the shooters have to know is the coordinate of the target they want to hit, and the azimuth/elevation is displayed based on the precise location of the gun.


42 posted on 05/30/2022 2:19:26 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: BobL

Towed artillery compared to self-propelled as primary artillery in 2022 is a major joke. We are giving Ukraine our trash to please American public opinion. Towed arty is only useful in 2022 against Afghan goat-herders who can’t shoot back. (And the Afghans chased us out anyway.)

2022-05-22 - “WHAT’S UP WITH THE HOWITZERS?”

15,179 views May 22, 2022 In this video blog edition of the Dreizin Report, you will hear about the evolution of recent U.S. weapons deliveries to the Ukraine, their successes and failures, and where this show may go from here. Among other things, you will be introduced to a comparative dissertation on towed vs. self-propelled artillery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHAnlVjz5Bw&ab_channel=TheDreizinReport-UkraineWar%26Aftermath


43 posted on 05/30/2022 2:23:13 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Mariner

Plus, Russia is jamming and spoofing GPS all over the area.


44 posted on 05/30/2022 2:23:57 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Towed works great...until after the first volley.

After that, nobody wants to go near it.


45 posted on 05/30/2022 2:25:40 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

More Orc propaganda.


46 posted on 05/30/2022 2:26:45 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Chunga85

You talk like a kook.

And there is something being done about it.

Lots of dead Russians.


47 posted on 05/30/2022 2:28:54 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Pollard

Yeah really.

Not trying to be paranoid, but as soon as that 40 bil went out the window, nobody gave e AF about the Ukraininans any longer.


48 posted on 05/30/2022 2:29:54 PM PDT by AAABEST ( NY/DC/LA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: Mariner
They messed up. They trusted the USA.

I really hate to be saying this, but that's sure how it looks from here.

49 posted on 05/30/2022 2:32:21 PM PDT by Salman (It's not a "slippery slope" if it was part of the program all along. )
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To: Mariner

“The US would not risk capture of these computers.”

I heard that too, but even the shells use GPS real time to accurately hit their targets at the distances they shoot.

So they can point and shoot with excellent coordinates, but they’ll still have a tough time getting direct hits at those distances.


50 posted on 05/30/2022 2:32:28 PM PDT by BobL (My hatred of Necons/Globalists exceeds my love of Ukraine or any other country, other than the US)
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To: Williams

Adjusting to reality is going to be very difficult for you.


51 posted on 05/30/2022 2:34:50 PM PDT by Chunga85 (An arrogant govt combined with and ignorant population is a recipe for disaster.)
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To: Mariner

So there’s a new communist mantra - those who support Ukraine against aggression are murdering the Ukrainians.

Spoken like true marxist dupes.

I think I’ve learned which so called “Americans” will tell us to surrender when we’re attacked.


52 posted on 05/30/2022 2:36:15 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Travis McGee

Yea, I saw that Trav - Titanium, LOL! I’m just glad we’re learning how STUPID our military planners were in a proxy war, where very few Americans (so far) have to die.

GPS makes sense when driving on base to the Officer’s Club or something, but it doesn’t do quite as well in combat situations against a modern military that is NOT made up of idiot planners.


53 posted on 05/30/2022 2:36:17 PM PDT by BobL (My hatred of Necons/Globalists exceeds my love of Ukraine or any other country, other than the US)
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To: silverleaf
Ukraine is selling its wheat to pay for weapons.

It's hard to find anything definitive on the subject, but that aligns with my understanding. Countries like Poland ship them obsolete Soviet equipment, and the rest of the NATO countries ship them NATO weaponry which is either obsolete, or approaching or past its expiration date. In exchange, Ukraine has to pay them with money from current sales of grain.

The NATO countries want to keep the war going as long as Ukraine still has anything of value they can extract to line their own pockets. The NATO countries are able to replenish their military stockpiles with new weapons with the proceeds, or at least what remains of it after the graft.

54 posted on 05/30/2022 2:36:25 PM PDT by Wissa (The winds and waves are always on the side of the ablest navigators.)
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To: Mariner

Towed arty was great against 7th Century goat herders with no ability to fire counter-battery in 5 minutes.


55 posted on 05/30/2022 2:37:11 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Williams
Yes Putin is directly responsible, but Soros has been manipulating the politics of the Ukraine, as he manipulates our politics. There's a reason the Hungarian government has been so wary of and so guarded against his influence. If you don't believe world politics are being manipulated, you are the fool - and I truly hope you wake up.
56 posted on 05/30/2022 2:37:59 PM PDT by neverevergiveup
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To: AAABEST; Pollard
Where the 40 billion went:


57 posted on 05/30/2022 2:38:30 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Chunga85

I’m not an immoral jerk like you. If Russia defeats Ukraine or China occupies Taiwan, it won’t make them “right”.

And you’re the one who will live with the reality of what’s coming from China and Russia, and what it’s going to do to us.


58 posted on 05/30/2022 2:38:32 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: PIF

“More Orc propaganda.”

You’re referring to an article published in The Stars & Stripes.


59 posted on 05/30/2022 2:39:29 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner; BobL; Travis McGee

Not only will the crap we’re sending not work very well, there’s learning curves, and deployment time issues... if it gets deployed at all.

Forget about constant ammo, maintenance and parts needed. Trying to arm foreigners with our stuff even under the best circumstances is always a logistical nightmare.

The majority of what we send will go to the Russians, black market and corruptocrats pockets.


60 posted on 05/30/2022 2:41:01 PM PDT by AAABEST ( NY/DC/LA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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