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Putin’s Mariupol Massacre is one of the 21st century’s worst war crimes
Atlantic Council ^ | 24-MAY-2022 | Paul Niland

Posted on 05/26/2022 7:30:24 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas

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To: Penelope Dreadful

Dreadful suits you to a T.

I’ll bet you have a houseful of cats….

L


81 posted on 05/26/2022 12:02:31 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Well stated.


82 posted on 05/26/2022 12:04:35 PM PDT by rrrod (6)
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To: Kazan

There are also plenty of videos from Russian refugees in Europe who scoff at this and point out if it was so bad for their ethnic group,

1. Why didn’t they flee into Russia at any time in the 8 years when they could easily have done so?

2. Why did they flee WEST when the Russian tanks rolled into Ukraine?

We’ve got 2 million refugees EASY who are Russian speakers, spread across Europe, saying one thing. Maybe half of them ONLY speak Russian. Nobody’s holding a gun to their heads. They can speak completely freely.

By contrast you’ve got a few hundred Tiktok Army videos and posts on Telegram with people saying the polar opposite, while Russians with guns hover nearby.

And sure, there are videos of Nice Russians playing with kids and feeding pets. Just as there are similar videos of Azov guys doing the same.

Either it proves there are good guys in both camps, or it proves nothing.

I’ve got one Russian refugee living here, who doesn’t speak Uke. Got out of Dodge when the Chechen Islamonazis and Wagner nazis showed up. Wasn’t sufficiently bothered by Azov in eight years to even move town.

The other refugee here is from the Ukrainian midwest, and is bilingual.

They’re an engaged couple. Been together since high school.

Why’s he here? He didn’t want her raped or killed by Russia’s sponsored orcs just for being a Uke, and didn’t fancy taking a Russian purity test before being conscripted into an orc army.

There’s truth in the old adage, whenever Russia complains about the nasty thing someone else us about to do to them, it’s a deflection because they’re about to do it themselves.

Which is why people are so worried about nukes. Not the comical rants about destroying all of the United Kingdom, we think that’s lame. No, what bothers us is the “west is going to nuke us” talk because that’s Russkie for “we’re seriously considering a pre-emptive strike.”


83 posted on 05/26/2022 12:17:55 PM PDT by MalPearce
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To: Lurker
I’ll bet you have a houseful of cats….

Still bulling women, Iron Jack?

84 posted on 05/26/2022 12:49:48 PM PDT by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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To: MercyFlush; All
Is that the one where you're the grand marshal?

No...but it is the one YOUR taxes pay for as part of a government sponsored MONTH long celebration of deviant behavior. Its amazing how many of you Russia hating homo-globalists live in such places.

85 posted on 05/26/2022 1:13:49 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: JonPreston

I’m a bull alright.

Learn to spell you illiterate twit.

L


86 posted on 05/26/2022 1:26:44 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is)
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To: Lurker
I’m a bull alright.

I bet you are, Iron Jack


87 posted on 05/26/2022 1:29:49 PM PDT by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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To: mac_truck

“Its amazing how many of you Russia hating homo-globalists live in such places.”

Which is an admission that you live somewhere else other than the USA.

So noted.


88 posted on 05/26/2022 1:34:09 PM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ The Soviet Empire is right now doing a dead cat bounce. ☭☭☭)
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To: JonPreston

I am a pirate. I have a parrot who sits in my shoulder and says “Preston’s a quarter witted ***hole” all day long. Took nearly a week to train him. So he’s smarter than you, at least.

I live on a Man O’War surrounded by a hearty crew half of whole are a bevy of buxom maidens who serve at my beck and call.

The rest of them are the worst sort of scalawags, scoundrels, rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers and Methodists.

Lots of eye patches, wooden legs, and all I hear is “aaargh Matey” almost incessantly. Most folks would find it tiresome but since we pillage and plunder from morning till night it’s all worth it.

When night falls it’s flagons of rum and buxom lasses dancing and cavorting for our amusement. Last night Keith Richards dropped in to play a few tunes.

All in all it’s a good life. Better than your pathetic little existence, anyway.

L


89 posted on 05/26/2022 1:41:23 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is)
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To: MercyFlush

Lol...you really are stupid if you think the rest of the country celebrates homosexuality the way northern California does.


90 posted on 05/26/2022 1:45:20 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: Lurker
I am a pirate

LOL!!!

Now that we ironed that out, talk to us about that goofy L you sign off with!


91 posted on 05/26/2022 1:50:01 PM PDT by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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To: mac_truck

You and your Russian buddies obsess over ‘globohomo’ (which sounds awfully Russian to me) and you folks go on about it way too much.

Also, the San Francisco Gay Area does not define all of Northern California.


92 posted on 05/26/2022 1:55:40 PM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ The Soviet Empire is right now doing a dead cat bounce. ☭☭☭)
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To: Lurker

Epic post!!! (-:


93 posted on 05/26/2022 1:57:20 PM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ The Soviet Empire is right now doing a dead cat bounce. ☭☭☭)
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To: MercyFlush

He’s like a child. A “special needs” child, to be sure, but a child nonetheless.

L


94 posted on 05/26/2022 2:01:51 PM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is)
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To: Lurker

He no doubt grew up in a Ministry of Health Baby House where the Russians coldly abandon their less-than-perfect children.


95 posted on 05/26/2022 2:08:30 PM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ The Soviet Empire is right now doing a dead cat bounce. ☭☭☭)
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To: MalPearce
Why didn’t they flee into Russia at any time in the 8 years when they could easily have done so?

Why in hell do you think they should have had to leave their homes and flee to Russia?

Would you do that or would you seek help if the Russians offered it to you?

This war would have been avoided if Ukraine had agreed to implement the Minsk Accord, which it signed off on. That would have given Donetsk and Luhansk more autonomy but would have kept those areas part of Ukraine.

Why wasn't it implemented? Because the neo-Nazis in Ukraine threatened another revolution if it was implemented.

You seem to think its acceptable that neo-Nazis and Ukrainian nationalists have some kind of right to persecute those of Russian ethnicity. It's outrageous position to have.

96 posted on 05/26/2022 4:12:42 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: MalPearce
I’ve got one Russian refugee living here, who doesn’t speak Uke. Got out of Dodge

Right. Leave your homes and flee. That's what anyone would do? ARE KIDDING ME?

If the Chinese invaded and tried to drive you out of your home, would you just roll over and leave?

Why in hell should they put up with that?

97 posted on 05/26/2022 4:14:43 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: MercyFlush
Try again neo-🤡...


98 posted on 05/26/2022 5:16:58 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: mac_truck

Try again, chomo.


99 posted on 05/26/2022 5:24:31 PM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ The Soviet Empire is right now doing a dead cat bounce. ☭☭☭)
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To: Kazan
Why in hell do you think they should have had to leave their homes and flee to Russia?

Poor standard of non-sequitur there.

If THEY felt that living in Donbass was intolerable due to the conflict, they could've fled east, or west. If the Russian narrative wasn't complete arrant bollocks, logic ought to tell you that Russians that feel safer under Russian protection than under Kyiv's protection wouldn't travel across over a thousand miles of hostile territory, by land, to get to a border crossing when they could've travelled a hundred miles in the OTHER direction and arrived in a pro-Russian safe zone.

Would you do that or would you seek help if the Russians offered it to you?

You miss the point. The Russians didn't offer "help" in the first instance. Firstly, Russia kept denying it was going to conduct any operation at all, then it amassed a huge invasion force at the border (still denying it was going to do anything at all), then it invaded.

Moreover, the Russian professional soldiers in that convoy that got bogged down didn't even get told they were going into Ukraine, let alone told they were going on a humanitarian mission. They were told it was just a training exercise and claimed they didn't even know they'd crossed the border. If they're telling the truth, they're all stupid. If they are lying, then why would Russia lie in that way? "We're here to help with humanitarian support and peacekeeping" was not a frickin' difficult message to sell to a bunch of Russians in Ukraine who WANTED to hear that. So why not just say that?!

Besides, Ukrainians and Uke Russians both had plenty of time to look at the convoys coming in from Russia. Assault vehicles, tanks, artillery. Not fleets of ambulances. The footage was all over the internet. Convoys were full of barely trained kids (with many teens apparently on National Service who shouldn't even have been there without a declaration of war and a full mobilisation). Most had no idea where they were going or why they were going there because their commanding officers wouldn't say; they had food supplies that were barely better than dog food; they had bugger all humanitarian kit. But some had dress uniforms ready for a victory parade. Some "humanitarian mission".

This war would have been avoided if Ukraine had agreed to implement the Minsk Accord, which it signed off on. That would have given Donetsk and Luhansk more autonomy but would have kept those areas part of Ukraine.

That is true. But it is not the ONLY part of the truth. The other part of the truth is, France (perennial serial surrender monkeys) and Germany (too scared of itself to be belligerent) coerced Ukraine into signing a deal that favored Russia. I know you're a slow person but do you not see that if ONLY Ukraine kept to the deal, Russia had carte blanche to rip the Budapest Memorandum up? HAVE YOU READ BUDAPEST YET? https://treaties.un.org/doc..../volume-3007-I-52241.pdf

Read Paragraph 2. "None of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations." If Ukraine surrendered Donbas or Crimea officially, the precedent would be set that Ukraine could cede territory to Russia without even holding a national referendum as its own Constitution requires... and if Ukraine can just horse-trade its own states in that way, with a gun held to its head by Russia, then Budapest is well and truly dead.

Why wasn't it implemented? Because the neo-Nazis in Ukraine threatened another revolution if it was implemented.

And damned right they did. Minsk, as drawn up by the Putin-appeasing surrender monkeys, would've basically given Putin a license to turn Ukraine into the new Belarus. Minsk should've been vetoed by the United Nations as an utter dereliction of duty by the two European negotiating parties, to come up with a plan that respected rather than tore up the Budapest Memorandum.

You seem to think its acceptable that neo-Nazis and Ukrainian nationalists have some kind of right to persecute those of Russian ethnicity. It's outrageous position to have.

Bullcrap. The vast majority of Nazis operating in Ukraine right now are the Wagner Nazis, the Chechen Islamonazis, the Nazis leading the DPR, and the Nazis in the Russian rank and file. This is 2022, you utter arse. The Azov Nazis were rampaging around Donbas between 2014 and 2016, but they sure as shit weren't doing it in 2020 or 2021. Even the DPR's own casualty statistics (until they stopped producing them because they were undermining the Genocide narrative) showed a massive de-escalation from 2018 onwards.

If you really think that arriving four years late for a genocide that was already ended, to deal with a genocide that had already been ended, and accidentally ending up displacing 4 million people, killing over 20,000 Russian civilians in ten weeks, injuring/killing over 70,000 combatants across all sides, destroying an entire city that was mostly pro-Russian with over 10,000 of those people now starving to death or dying of thirst in it, and is a good reason to start a war TO SAVE RUSSIANS then not only are you NOT immune to Russian propaganda, you are completely hooked on it.

100 posted on 05/27/2022 12:33:18 AM PDT by MalPearce
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