Posted on 05/21/2022 6:51:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
1st it sounds like the people had no good choice at all. They were screwed no matter who won. 2nd... I am sure the elections are rigged their too if they need to be.
Yeah.
Well done to all the arseholes including the ones here on Freerepublic who did everything they could to undermine a Christian conservative Prime Minister because they swallowed the Chinese communist propaganda and lies about what was happening in Australia.
Well done. You’ve helped give Australia a socialist government again. You’ve given communist China everything it wanted.
It does matter who is in charge in Australia. And people who just swallowed communist China propaganda and lies about what supposedly happened in Australia have helped the left get control of the country, taking it away from a conservative Christian Prime Minister.
It really disgusts me that Freerepublic was used as a tool to do this.
No, it wasn't.
Those brutal, crushing COVID lockdowns were done by socialist state governments in Australia. The federal government was constitutionally unable to stop them from doing it, but the federal government didn't impose a single lockdown anywhere and opposed nearly all lockdowns.
Morons who cannot understand the difference have helped put the party that imposed those lockdowns in some states, in power over the whole country now by allowing the wrong people to be blamed.
No.
We have gone from having a Christian conservative Prime Minister leading a moderate right government to having a hard core socialist Prime Minister leading a far left government.
And it’s partly because of idiots who blamed the conservative federal government for things that were done by socialist state governments including way too many people here on Freerepublic who spread communist Chinese propaganda designed to mislead people and when people like myself tried to explain what was actually going on blocked their ears and repeated the bullcrap even more.
We might have had a better chance if 'conservative' sites like Freerepublic hadn't been full of people undermining and attacking the Australian federal government for things that were being done by Australian state governments for the last two years.
The world keeps on turning towards the morning.
So FR has a direct effect on the federal government there? That’s a stretch.
No, it wasn't. The lockdowns were imposed by socialist state governments and nearly all opposed by the conservative federal government (the federal government did not oppose the idea of very short lockdowns in extreme circumstances, so it wasn't totally opposed to them - but it was opposed to the longer ones, and in practice, we really didn't have any short ones).
The problem is that vast amounts of propaganda was spread - most likely by China - that sought to shift the blame for what happened from the socialist state governments to the commonwealth government, and a significant number of Australian voters don't understand how our own system of government works so don't get the difference - they assume that the Prime Minister can overrule state governments even when he most certainly can't.
And efforts by people like myself to try and educate people on this were heavily undermined, including here on Freerepublic (where because most people are obviously American, they have every excuse not to understand how Australia's constitution works) by that propaganda machine.
There were also other issues besides COVID that had a big influence on the election result - largely economic issues but also things like the 'me too' movement that we managed to import from America, and a large amount of money being spent to create 'teal independents' that many conservative voters (especially women) have been deceived into thinking were a conservative alternative to the Liberal Party, but are about to find out are actually just Labor shills.
Not just Freerepublic.
Conservative forums all over America.
We had morons on Fox News calling for America to invade Australia to ‘save us’ because they spread the same propanda.
We had Joe Rogan just this past week spreading a lie that Australians had been banned from growing our own food...
When you are dealing with a massive propaganda machine that is spreading lies about your country across the entire world as well as in your own country, it becomes incredibly difficult to counter those lies.
Freerepublic has been used as part of that. How big a part - debatable. But as somebody who has been here nearly twenty years, this was one of the places I tried to set right, where I tried to get the truth out.
And I know just how hard that was. So for me, it’s a real illustration of the problem.
No, it doesn’t. Right and left has the same meaning in Australia as it does in the US.
Australia has just gone from having a conservative government lead by a devout Christian to a socialist government lead by a lifelong left wing political activist.
Perhaps they are not lies? Actual truth is quickly recognized. And one fact you consistently deny is that Morrison’s hands were tied by the federal constitution in terms of alleviating the depredations of state governments; I read the constitution and it states the opposite.
You undermine your credibility by levying a blaket attack against all US conservative forums, and by extension implying that they caused the electorate in Australia in any way, shape or form to vote Labor. Such accusations on your part are of an ad-hominem nature to boot.
“fact you consistently deny” / fallacy you consistently assert
For the most part, no. But that is because the pandemic allowed the state governments to use their constitutional power over all public health matters to basically be in charge of the country in 2020 and 2021. The federal government was constitutionally unable to prevent them doing this - Australia's constitution makes the states more powerful than the federal government in many areas. Normally national policy is dominated by issues like defence and economic policy, where the Federal government does have power, but for the first time in a century, the single dominant issue in Australia became a 'public health emergency' and that put the state governments in charge. And some of those were/are hard left socialist governments and they used their chance to control the country. The federal government had no power to stop them under the constitution.
Participating in the five-eyes frame up of Trump in 2016?
What actually happened was somebody who worked for Trump told Australia's High Commissioner in London that there was foreign interference in US elections. The High Commissioner decided that was information he should pass on to law enforcement in the US. He contacted the FBI. He may have been totally naive in assuming the FBI was an organisation that could be trusted to deal appropriately with that information, but they are supposedly responsible for counterintelligence in America, so they do seem the people you'd contact if you'd just been told somebody was engaging in operations designed to undermine America's system of government.
The dystopian Orwellian covid state, refusing to even let foreigners leave
That's not true. Foreigners were not prevented from leaving Australia unless they were 'permanent residents' under Australian immigration law, and they could have left if they were willing to abandon their permanent residency status. No foreigner was forced to remain in Australia.
covid concentration camps... that was their “conservative” party?
No, it wasn't. There was only one place in Australia that could reasonably be referred to as a camp (and that's somewhat complicated) and that place was run by the socialist government of the Northern Territory.
They were following the constitution. Do you think conservatives shouldn't?
Some Americans believe Australia is in Europe lol.
No, it doesn't. I know what Australia's constitution says. I've had to work within it all my life.
I have studied Australian constitutional law in depth over decades of serving this country.
Section 51 and Section 107 are the bit you need to look at. It lays out the areas that the Commonwealth government controls. Any area that isn't explicitly listed in Section 51 remains in the control of the states and the commonwealth government cannot overrule states in those areas.
Crucially section 51 does not mention public health except with regards to funding of "pharmaceutical, sickness and hospital benefits, medical and dental services" - that section was introduce in the 1940s to allow for the commonwealth government to control Australia's welfare system which included provision for an eventual universal healthcare system, but it only relates to funding - not to running the medical sides of the system.
Section 107 is straightforward:
Every power of the Parliament of a Colony which has become or becomes a State, shall, unless it is by this Constitution exclusively vested in the Parliament of the Commonwealth or withdrawn from the Parliament of the State, continue as at the establishment of the Commonwealth, or as at the admission or establishment of the State, as the case may be.
This is the section that makes it clear that any power not expressly given ('exclusively vested in the Parliament of the Commonwealth or withdrawn from the Parliament of the State') to the Commonwealth in Section 51 remains with the states.
This is Constitution 101 in Australia.
You undermine your credibility by levying a blaket attack against all US conservative forums,
I haven't done that. I am saying some conservative forums in the US have been used as part of this. Not all. There's no blanket attack.
And it has happened here on Freerepublic. I've seen the posts over and over again. For a significant part of last year, especially, virtually everything being posted about Australia on FR was repeating the propaganda, uncritically.
and by extension implying that they caused the electorate in Australia in any way, shape or form to vote Labor.
Again, no, that's not what I am saying or implying.
I am saying that this helped make it much harder for those of us who were trying to disseminate accurate information.
And it still is. Such accusations on your part are of an ad-hominem nature to boot.
RE: communist Chinese propaganda
I’m a little puzzled by this. You’ve repeated this several times in your posts here. Exactly how did the CCP influence the Australian election?
P.s. how long do you think Allbegreasy’s honeymoon will last and before the wheels fall off any support he gets or needs from the new female climate amazons in the new HR. And what of the senate? How do you see that?
This is just one factor among quite a few that makes me believe China is responsible for a large proportion of this organised propaganda. But I certainly can't say I could prove it.
They are just the obvious choice.
China does not like Australia. It also doesn't like the United States having a strong ally in the South Pacific and would love to split up that relationship.
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