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To: Tell It Right

More self-inflicted injury to the nation. You cannot have electric-powered vehicles without a reliable and plentiful electricity generation and distribution system in place.

And battery-powered electric vehicles are a dead end. There are not enough in available resources to build all those vehicles with batteries and battery charging systems. If it is at all possible, going fully to fuel cells or a compact on-board electric generation system, is the only means by which electric vehicles finally gain favor.


6 posted on 05/20/2022 5:20:39 AM PDT by alloysteel (There are folks running the government who shouldn't be allowed to play with matches - Will Rogers)
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To: alloysteel

“More self-inflicted injury to the nation. You cannot...”
“...battery-powered electric vehicles are a dead end.”
“There are not enough...”

Don’t think the leaders of the Left don’t understand that. They understand it fully. That’s why it’s not possible to fight them with facts, they know the facts, and they know the facts better than most on our side.

Until we call start attacking their intentions, we’ll never defeat them.


11 posted on 05/20/2022 5:39:23 AM PDT by BobL (Putin isn't sending gays into our schools to groom my children, but anti-Putin people are)
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To: alloysteel
I like the idea of hybrid BEV/HEV cars. IMHO batteries are horrible for both long-term storage and weight, but great for near-term power storage and round-trip efficiency.

Imagine this scenario. A home solar system with lots of battery storage (I'm upgrading mine to 21kW total panels, 18kW total DC-to-AC inversion, and 63kWh of usable battery storage not including the 30% SOC I always leave in the batteries). Any upgrade beyond that is running against the law of diminishing returns. It'll produce about 90% of all the power I need, including charging the EV we have on order and driving it ~200 miles per week. The costs involved minus tax credits plus interest I paid on the loan taking it all out will pay for itself 9 years from now (10th year of when I installed the original solar system).

But let's say I add to that system a hydrogen electrolyzer and tank storage for the hydrogen gas out in my back yard. The electrolyzer is horribly inefficient -- the best ones I've seen so far are 50% loss from power used to generate the gas to power created using the fuel cell. Thus it'd be the last thing I'd add to my overall power system. But if it's creating hydrogen gas on the days I have excess power anyway, I can use that gas to get hundreds of miles in an HEV without adding a lot of weight to the car like adding a lot more battery storage to the car would. Plus, the hydrogen fuel cell storage can store power long-term without decline like long-term battery storage does. So if I take long trips a few times per year, the HEV portion of the BEV/HEV hybrid can add a few hundred miles of driving between charges. Maybe I could use that to travel across charger deserts. Or maybe use it to get me to the nearest 300kw charger (letting me bypass the relatively slow 50kW and 150kW chargers).

15 posted on 05/20/2022 5:49:44 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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