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To: lump in the melting pot

This goes beyond force ratio results. Something or perhaps several things have managed to reduce incentive to win, the value of cohesiveness and teamwork, the importance of communication between all levels of their military.
The ongoing need to maintain, update or replace certain equipment within a reasonable time period.

All very large national military forces have much the same basic needs. A big annual budget does not mean the money will go everywhere it’s most needed. Cronyism, competitive attitudes against other departments, grudge holding and plain old stubborness are always part of the picture.


2 posted on 05/13/2022 7:50:09 PM PDT by lee martell
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And in the russian case, have you seen the fuel, docking fees, maintenance and crew payroll bills for a 120-meter yacht lately?!? That money has to come from somewhere...


3 posted on 05/13/2022 7:54:39 PM PDT by lump in the melting pot
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One thing wins wars. Not force ratios. Not technology. Not strategic positions. Not economic superiority. One thing, and one thing only.

Will.

4 posted on 05/13/2022 7:55:12 PM PDT by fhayek
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Adventurism beyond your borders vs. defending the homeland. Russians are good at homeland defense, not so good projecting power outside their borders.


12 posted on 05/13/2022 8:15:09 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (Wanting to make America great isn’t an insult unless you’re trying to make it worse! ULTRAMAGA!!)
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Left out the fact it's a slob army with no training and it shows. Evidently no budget allowances for training which is a mistake. No training, no discipline, no competency = poor results. Seems to be just as it was in the 1940's, if not 1917 - here's your rifle, forward for the motherland! And a command staff using mid 20th century tactics & maneuvers against an advanced technology armed foe with foreign backing, turning it into one big gang fight. Freaking amateur hour over there - on both sides really. Lots of WTF-type stuff going on, but the Ukrainians are motivated and tenacious which gives them an edge, such as it is.
 
 

23 posted on 05/13/2022 11:29:46 PM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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Add another critical factor which most analysts omit: theft

Theft is the standard way Orc society and, in this case, its military operates and has operated for over 500 years.

Orcs were assumed to have 13-14,000 working tanks, when in reality they could only scrape together ~2,500. The rest are rusting hulks with parts missing, including engines and are not repairable. Maintenance funds, upgrade funds and troop mess were stolen by the command staffs. Paper work was submitted attesting to work or equipment installation that was never done.

Orc vast supply of precision missiles existed only on paper, and are now reduced to using very expensive anti-ship missile on stationary targets.

You get the idea.


26 posted on 05/14/2022 7:10:31 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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Force ratio doctrine includes the use of force multiplier. 3 to 1 is straight up engagement. There are other considerations for multipliers. Defending home turf is one, restricted maneuverability is another, along with limited supply lines. These three worked in Ukraine’s favor.

Further, Russia counted on air superiority but did not archive that multiplier. Same is true for “shock and awe”.

In short, Russia believed it’s own propaganda. Also the doctrine remains viable, but you have to count all factors in your evaluation.


27 posted on 05/14/2022 7:11:38 AM PDT by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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From the time Russia started its invasion, I knew they were in trouble.

Russia had about 170,000 soldiers on the border at the start. That was not nearly enough. Their big problem was you need about nine support troops for every combat arms soldier.

There is an old, but correct maxim is, “Combat arms win battles, but logistical win wars.”

That was the downfall of Napoleon when he invaded Russia, and when Hitler invaded Russia. The logistical trains just could not keep.. the front lines supplied.


28 posted on 05/14/2022 2:20:25 PM PDT by WASCWatch ( WASC)
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