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AP Explainer: Schools may be Texas’ next immigration fight
The Associated Press ^ | May 6, 2022 | By PAUL J. WEBER

Posted on 05/06/2022 3:20:53 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: semimojo

You are all over the place. We should not be educating non citizens. They are a burden that is overwhelming the system by leftist design. Throwing money at the problem of trying & failing to educate children who don’t speak the language, don’t have the basics and who have no right to be here is wrong headed. As wrong headed as trying to bail a boat with a sieve.

Children of American citizens deserve the right to have an education that allows them to gain proficiency and become productive citizens. They are the ones being cheated by leftists zealots more interested in slogans than people.
They are the ones your method will continue to condemn to illiteracy.

The math & science schools are being destroyed by the people who look for equal outcome rather than equal opportunity. Where will new discoveries come from when those schools are dumbed down and the more able students are selected against to provide a pretense of opportunities to students who cannot succeed? As in Procrustes’ bed the able need to be crippled so the less able can measure up.


21 posted on 05/06/2022 5:49:15 PM PDT by JayGalt (For evil men to accomplish their purpose it is only necessary that good men should do nothing.”)
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To: semimojo
It will be disproportionate because the large number of illegals likely are occupying very low rent housing, and are paying (indirectly through the landlord) much less in property taxes than are the other residents. Therefore, the other taxpayers will need to be paying much more in taxes to pay for the additional schooling required.

I think there's plenty of evidence people get better jobs when they're educated. It may even allow them to get a more skilled job, make some money and pay more taxes.

But is that a job that would otherwise go unfilled if that person didn't take it, or are they simply taking a job opportunity that might have otherwise gone to a citizen or legal immigrant? Because if it is the latter, then all you are doing is shuffling wealth rather than creating it.

The all too common scenario is that the illegal is taking the job at a lower wage rate that the employer otherwise would have to pay. That is great for the owners and higher management of business who benefit from, but amounts to wage depression for those citizens and legal immigrants who are otherwise competing for those jobs.

In any case, these are all worthy policy discussions that voters should be having rather than having had it taken out of their hands by an activist Supreme Court.

22 posted on 05/06/2022 6:00:12 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: semimojo
What's the cost to have a large uneducated sub-population?

Public schools in my area have a 12% proficiency rating.

It's high time to privatize education.

23 posted on 05/06/2022 6:11:24 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed the nation whose GOD is the LORD. ~ Psalm 33:12)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Keep in mind, Abbott and crew, still haven't ended in state tuition prices for illegal aliens in Texas. Texas illegals, get the same pricing as Texas citizens. The gop don't care.
24 posted on 05/06/2022 6:25:43 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: JayGalt
Throwing money at the problem of trying & failing to educate children who don’t speak the language, don’t have the basics and who have no right to be here is wrong headed.

Do you think letting all these kids remain uneducated and not learning the language is better for our society? It isn't like they're just going to disappear if we ignore them.

Where will new discoveries come from when those schools are dumbed down and the more able students are selected against to provide a pretense of opportunities to students who cannot succeed? As in Procrustes’ bed the able need to be crippled so the less able can measure up.

Railing against our societal challenges doesn't help anyone.

And having a bunch of uneducated kids running around is worse - it actually holds us back.

25 posted on 05/06/2022 6:46:42 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: semimojo

They need to go back to their native lands. Why do you ignore that fact? You are right we should not ignore them we should return them to the authorities in their native lands.

The education system is not working throwing more money at it will not help. It is idiocy to do the same thing over & over when it has failed.

In any case these children are not our responsibility. We cannot feed, clothe, educate the entire world. The policy of accepting the impossible burden of limitless illegal border crossers has drawn more and more illegals to the US.

It is rank stupidity to take more into a leaky lifeboat. There will be no more America if this continues.


26 posted on 05/06/2022 7:11:16 PM PDT by JayGalt (For evil men to accomplish their purpose it is only necessary that good men should do nothing.”)
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To: JayGalt
They need to go back to their native lands. Why do you ignore that fact?

I don't ignore it, but you thinking they "they need" to do something doesn't make it happen.

The illegals here and for now they're not leaving. Given that, what's the best thing for our society?

I'm pretty sure it isn't a bunch of uneducated illiterates running around.

27 posted on 05/06/2022 8:59:50 PM PDT by semimojo
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To: semimojo

The best thing for our ‘’society’’ is to close the f’ing border!!


28 posted on 05/07/2022 12:03:42 AM PDT by jmacusa (America. Founded by geniuses. Now governed by idiots. )
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To: InterceptPoint
I have very mixed emotions on this issue but I’m inclined to believe the risks associated with a large totally uneducated population is just too high. They are not likely to be exported. It’s a pay me now or pay me later deal.

That's not what happened in OK several years ago when they passed a volley of anti-illegal immigration laws. Untold thousands of them left the state on their own when officials cracked down on transporting, hiring, housing, or spending any state funds on services for illegals.

I own a wheat farm in OK, and I actually got a letter explaining how my state income taxes WENT DOWN after those laws were passed.

29 posted on 05/07/2022 5:01:22 AM PDT by eastexsteve
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To: semimojo

I’m pretty sure that throwing money at schools will not make them educated.
That was the point of the links. Throwing all the illegals into schools only means that American children don’t get an education either because the level is lowered for everyone.


30 posted on 05/07/2022 7:33:49 AM PDT by JayGalt (For evil men to accomplish their purpose it is only necessary that good men should do nothing.”)
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To: semimojo

This is what happens when you create an attractive nuisance by giving free education, housing medical care, food stamps, a phone & living allowance.
Body of Angolan Migrant Child Found on Mexican Bank of Texas Border River
5/7/2022, 10:16:48 AM · by ChicagoConservative27 · 13 replies
Breitbart ^ | 05/07/2022 | Bob Price


31 posted on 05/07/2022 7:36:02 AM PDT by JayGalt (For evil men to accomplish their purpose it is only necessary that good men should do nothing.”)
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To: JayGalt
Throwing all the illegals into schools only means that American children don’t get an education either because the level is lowered for everyone.

You don't think having a bunch of uneducated illiterates in the community lowers the quality of that community?

32 posted on 05/07/2022 7:53:57 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: semimojo

Yes. That is why they need to be deported. You are making a mistake in logic. Having a bunch of uneducated, undocumented illegal aliens of all ages lowers the living quality of a community. Putting the children that are part of that segment through our schools will not change that fact one iota.
Don’t concentrate on some “feel good” “sounds noble” solution.

Strike at the root of the problem. The educational system is on a downwards spiral despite spending ever increasing sums. The children you are advocating for are increasing the rate of decline for all children.

We have not discovered a way to improve education with money. What we need is a return to accountability and the stripping of liberal indoctrination which has replaced traditional educational material. We need to limit schooling to American citizens and concentrate on basics not ESL. No use advocating for unworkable practices, like bringing in an endless supply of illegal alien children, that exacerbate the problem you want to fix.


33 posted on 05/07/2022 8:12:19 AM PDT by JayGalt (For evil men to accomplish their purpose it is only necessary that good men should do nothing.”)
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