Posted on 05/02/2022 8:30:20 AM PDT by dmzTahoe
"...The 2nd of May, 2014, began as a day like any other. Although many had seen that in previous days, fascist thugs from the neo-Nazi group Right Sector, the neo-fascist party Svoboda as well as far-right football hooligans from outside the region had descended on Odessa. They continued to pour in on the morning of the 2nd.
By the afternoon, the fascist gangs started violently attacking the anti-fascist protesters. As the anti-fascists come under increasingly violent attacks, the peaceful protesters ran into the Trade Unions House, eventually barricading themselves inside for protection.
As the afternoon wore on, fascists were seen firing shots into the building and then they began to set the building on fire using a combination of Molotov cocktail and flaming debris.
As the fire raged, the fascists surrounded the front and back of the building, prohibiting escape. Many of the protesters, some in their mid-teens died of asphyxiation. Others jumped to their deaths.
Some who jumped and survived the initial fall were beaten to death. Others were tortured to the brink of death.
The authorities did nothing."...
(Excerpt) Read more at theduran.com ...
“A fallacious statement regardless of context.”
When you get a divorce you’ll find that no one is swayed by your claims that, “I was married to him/her for 30 years!”
Because the marriage is irrelevant once the divorce is final.
Just like how the final divorce of the USSR ended up with the three kids (Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine) going their separate ways.
That they used to be one country no longer matters.
Unless you’re Tsar Pidor Putin who wants to undo the divorce and bring back the USSR. And he’s just a sick old man who will hopefully die a painful death sometime soon.
No kidding, he’s on my Champagne List. When he dies I’ll be corking my 2009 Dom Perignon Brut to toast Pooty’s first day in Hell.
I have no problem believing at all that Ukraine's Army and those fighting would be just as brutal in the war now. Not a bit. I've seen too much of what they are capable of doing...and have done.
People love to deny or excuse, or even close their eyes to the utter brutality in that happening. Even the fire dept refused to respond, only a few miles away, until it was too late. The depravity of mankind was in full view as Ukraiains showed just how diabolical they are and can be....to each other as well.
That’s last year’s stock gains up in smoke.
(The concept of divorce is irrelevant in the eyes of God as far as sacramental marriage is concerned, but we'll ignore that for the sake of argument.)
You misunderstand my point.
Territory changes; borders only have meaning so long as a nation is willing to enforce them.
To illustrate (as the great Mark Steyn points out so often on his '100 Years Ago' segments), we are still living in the shadows cast by the decisions made during and after World War I.
Going even further back are ethnic feuds, religious strifes, and cultural divides that have persisted for longer than some nations have even existed. Did the enmity between Catholics and Protestants cease because of the Peace of Westphalia, for example?
By your logic, when the southern states seceded from the Union, the fact that they were previously one United States no longer mattered, and should have been left to go their own way. It goes without saying that the northern states (or the Lincoln Administration specifically) certainly didn't think the same way.
It would be an interesting world if every nation wiped the slate clean with every new treaty or agreement or partitioning or declaration of independence, but that's not reality, and it never has been; otherwise, every single independence movement would be treated as 100% legitimate by every single nation-state on Earth.
You may certainly think that the history between Ukraine and Russia prior to the dissolution of the USSR is (or should be) irrelevant, but both parties involved clearly don't think the same; otherwise, you wouldn't have so many 2022 articles floating about talking about how the civilization originating from Kiev is much older than that of Moscow.
To borrow your divorce analogy: the man may no longer be living with the woman he married, but the history of that marriage will always affect him going forward.
Especially if he has a hefty monthly payment for alimony or child support.
“By your logic, when the southern states seceded from the Union, the fact that they were previously one United States no longer mattered, and should have been left to go their own way.”
Recast that conflict to the situation with Russia/Ukraine...
Imagine the USA and CSA had in fact agreed to a peaceful dissolution in 1861. Then in 1892 the USA decides that it’s time to invade the South and force them back into the Union. It would be patently wrong.
I enjoy the mental exercise of alternate history and you might enjoy this book as I do:
That is an interesting question. Why didn't international observers, including a delegation from the USA led by Jimmy Carter condemn the cheating and election fraud conducted in Venezuela in the elections Carter's group observed?
What international "observers" say about elections sometimes isn't as truthful as one would hope.
In Ukraine Ms. Tymoshenko pointed out the same kinds of fraud that were found and resulted in the overturning of Mr. Yanukovych's "victory" in the previous election. You can read the details in this article.
The citizens of Ukraine got tired of Yanukovych's corruption and desire to hand over Ukraine to Russian control. Hundreds of thousands of people protested and their elected representatives in parliament removed Yanukovych. People call that a coup even though the process is similar to what every other parliamentary government does.
Don't be fooled by Russian propaganda.
why? so you believe we can use this term, but no one else?
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