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To: patriotfury
You are a liar if you refuse to see neo-Nazi problem in Ukraine. It's not arguable that it exists and that countries like Israel and Poland have expressed concern about it.

And, I have absolutely given you proof of the problem with links to articles proving it.

And, funded and trained the Azovs. It's disgraceful.

106 posted on 04/28/2022 6:08:57 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan

Personal attacks aside...

Thankfully, there are honest and trustworthy Russians, where pride wasn’t/isn’t more important than the truth and recognizing a problem, so as to at least try to stop evil, wherever it was active. The Russians involved with us were honorable, and gained great respect.

By the way, in order for me to teach history in Moscow years ago (on the side), I had to pass a course for certification in World History from the Stalinist Perspective. I had to do the same in order to teach Finance (on the side). It was interesting. From the Finance side, I had to be careful what I said, but borrowed heavily from The Austrian School of Economics, which is often synonymous with original US Constitutionally based principle. Teaching Russian students was a true honor, and enjoyable. For me it was a way to relax.

The links provided speak of neo-Nazi’s in many countries, not just Russia, and including the Ukraine AND United States, AND across Europe. So not just a Russian and Ukrainian problem.

As stated several times now, this was not my lane, but the teams involved were often joint Russian/US. However, we were always aware there were powers in Russian government and security which would, and did prejudicially end both internal investigation, as well as cooperation on near all related matters. The sharing went both ways.

The information is documented and interviews with Russians are real, although “Open Source”, and not even close
to comprehensive.

The foreign neo-Nazi interaction continues.



Underlying Fundamentals —

Fundamentally, the ideologies of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (NAZI), and Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) were at their core centralized humanistic socialist states.

Fundamentally, while not the same in several points, both were near aligned political manifestations of Humanist Manifesto’s I & II, and Communist Manifesto’s I & II.

As to history, no one on FreeRepublic should need to discover the pre WWII genocidal atrocities of not really Lenin and Stalin (while they were certainly guilty), but of what Marxist Communism brought and enabled through them. Nor would most on FreeRepublic be devoid of knowledge regarding Stalin and Hitler’s joint plan to divide and subjugate Eastern Europe, even while they both had greater ideas.

The number of pre WWII dead in Russia, Ukraine, and the Soviet Union due to Communism and Communist thuggery, regardless of low-ball figures or higher figures, is in the tens of millions of people.

The number of pre WWII dead in Ukraine proper, including from both Lenin and Stalin, ranges from near 10 million on the low end, to nearly 26 million on the high end (with substantive birth and edu records, but unprovable death documentation subsequent to large scale Siberian deportation).

As with other large scale nationalities deported (many to Siberia), the death records are often, and intentionally, non-existent.

Not all, but many millions of people deported were never seen or heard from again.

In a nutshell, beginning with Barbarossa, through the NAZI occupation and control of Ukraine (1941-1945), approximately 5.8 Million more Ukrainian’s died.

Many millions more were put into German slave labor camps. These are big numbers, and the camps consisted largely of both Slavs and Jews.
http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CN%5CA%5CNaziwarcrimesinUkraine.htm

However, while they were wrong on different levels, at the onset of the brutal Nazi takeover and occupation of Ukraine, some hoped the Germans would beat Stalins Red Army (as Ukraine had been brutalized by Stalin), and chose to side with the NAZI’s.

For others it was superficial, as they were trying to save and preserve their children in a country where many millions of Ukrainian’s were already intentionally wiped out before WWII.

This didn’t go well, as the NAZI’s (national socialists) saw Slavs as un-evolved and inferior, and only good for mass slave labor. Millions of Ukrainian’s were made slaves while under Nazi rule and control. Some estimates are as high as 11 Million slave laborers.

(Interestingly, some of the deadly large scale underground installation/facility projects begun by Stalin well before WWII and constructed by slaves, continued under Nazi rule in Ukraine, then continued again under Soviet re-occupation post WWII)

IT IS NUTS


Lots of national friendly revisionist/cover-up history exist out there, but Post WWII was one big ugly cluster —

https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Forced_labor_of_Germans_after_World_War_II?file=Lager-Moschendorf-Denkmal.jpg

Repeating it again, while certainly not alone, Russia today has a substantial German population.

Additionally, (and again not alone), there are a significant number Slavic neo-Nazi organizations across Russia, with some of these being influential across the EU, and even with ties to North and South America organizations.

As well, FSB and third party paramilitary organizations have indeed utilized these, and substantially to weaken Ukraine for years.

Many organizations know who they are.

The info did not derive from me, and is not mine.


108 posted on 04/29/2022 4:40:02 AM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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