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Ukraine says baby among 6 killed in Odesa missile strike on eve of Orthodox Easter: "Nothing is sacred"
cbsnews.com ^ | APRIL 23, 2022 | CBS/AP

Posted on 04/23/2022 11:50:56 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

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To: Berlin_Freeper

As far as I’m concerned they are all corrupt including Putin and Z. Hell all of Europe is corrupt and as far as I’m concerned Putin can march all the way to France.


41 posted on 04/23/2022 1:35:58 PM PDT by stockpirate (Where Justice Ends Tyranny Begins...Repression Breeds Violence)
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To: dmzTahoe

Yes, they have nukes, otherwise they are rhird world country.


42 posted on 04/23/2022 1:52:09 PM PDT by cowboyusa (America Cowboy up! )
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To: dfwgator

Nice sub reference. You are a cultured type I see with expertise in early films.


43 posted on 04/23/2022 2:12:35 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Robert DeLong

The evidence is those injuries are from falling rocket debris from an attempt to shoot down a Russian guided missile strike. Six of seven missiles hit their mark-this one didnt and unfortunately civilians got injured. It’s not like a targeted killing of that Afghan family.

Of course the little green rat if Kiev is spinning it into another fake atrocity.


44 posted on 04/23/2022 2:33:12 PM PDT by Antioch (Benedikt Gott Geschickt)
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To: cowboyusa

“Yes, they have nukes, otherwise they are third world country.”

Well, the third world country is about to have its ruble replace the US dollar as a world reserve currency.

And talk about third world country, have you been to LA, San francisco, portland, seattle, detroit, Chicago,...?

Seems Russia is progressing, and we are deteriorating.

Don’t use that term lightly. I assume you’ve never been to a true third world country.


45 posted on 04/23/2022 2:33:16 PM PDT by dmzTahoe
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To: adorno
Putin considers civilian dead as collateral damage, even if they are kids and babies.

I'm pretty sure that we invented the term 'collateral damage'. You might want to look into the reasons we did such.

46 posted on 04/23/2022 2:48:33 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST (Trump WON!!!)
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To: dmzTahoe

The 220 ton RS-28 Sarmat (Satan 2, or SS-X-29) is a heavy ICBM designed for delivery of next gen nuclear warheads, which Russia “formally” began designing in 2009 (actual 2002-2003), for next gen warheads produced as early as 2001/2002 (about the same time Putin began heavy re-nuclearization of Kaliningrad - official yet unofficial of course), literally in violation of every Nuclear Treaty since Reagan.

This was the reason Bush 43 ordered short suspense Patriot, THAAD, and AEGIS Ashore missile defense networks put in place early on.

Of course, Putin told Obama to cut off missile defense, so Obama happily complied.

Trump is the one who order completion, and saw active/working anti-nuclear defense operable in Central and Eastern Europe.

Anything faster than 3,836 mph (or Mach 5) is hypersonic.

The RS-28 Sarmat has a top speed of just under 16,000 mph (just under Mach 21), with a range of 11,000 miles.

Both the speed and distance are near typical to all ICBM’s, and all CCCP and US ICBM’s really since first gen ICBM’s.
While ICBM speeds are multiple’s of most “hypersonic’s”, and the ICBM’s are certainly hypersonic — *ICBM’s are not the class of missile being referred to with current “hypersonic’s”.

Modern hypersonic’s are typically referring to scram and ram jet engine powered missiles, tuned to rely on the forced gas/very high ptessure (to burn), and light gravity ratio of between 85,000 to 110,000 ft altitude to operate. Conversely, ICBM’s are “LEO” (low earth orbit), typically travelling well above the Stratosphere.

While the hypersonic tech is advancing rapidly and globally (and yes, Obama and HRC knowingly transferred hypersonic tech to Putin through the Skolkovo, receiving at least $145.5 million in return), technically ICBM’s are multiples faster than “hypersonic’s”, with greater range.

By the way, you won’t find this on the net, but Russia was testing this long before 2018. That number is about 9 years after “stuff”.


47 posted on 04/23/2022 3:16:47 PM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Most victims of war are innocents. ThAT is war. Inadvertent causalities are just war.

Russia has targeted civilian targets. This is a war crime. We hung NAZI’s for this. PUTIN IS A WAR CRIMINAL!


48 posted on 04/23/2022 3:51:01 PM PDT by cpdiii (CANE CUTTER-DECKHAND-ROUGHNECK-OILFIELD CONSULTANT-GEOLOGIST-PILOT-PHARMACIST )
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To: patriotfury

Good background info. Much appreciated.

Also,The Sarmat has a range of 18,000 kilometers or just over 11,000 miles and can fly unpredictable routes while it is able to bypass missile defense areas. The missile has the ability to fly over the North and South Pole and even approach targets from directions that are not envisaged for interception.

Most worrisome for the U.S. military is that the Sarmat can be equipped to carry a number of reentry vehicles, including hypersonic Avangard gliders.

Anyway you look at it, those thinking we should get into a nuclear volley with Russia are absolutely crazy.


49 posted on 04/23/2022 3:54:31 PM PDT by dmzTahoe
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To: Brellium

Fun Facts: Beryllium’s toxicity to Humans is elemental in nature, and advocates of War must have Beryllium’s reflection to detonate Thermonuclear weapons of Mass Destruction.


50 posted on 04/23/2022 4:17:38 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Antioch

You are a troll on Free Republic but your words are not censored. That is why Free Republic is great. It truly is the place of free speech and a rare commodity these days.


51 posted on 04/23/2022 4:24:55 PM PDT by cpdiii (CANE CUTTER-DECKHAND-ROUGHNECK-OILFIELD CONSULTANT-GEOLOGIST-PILOT-PHARMACIST )
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To: Berlin_Freeper
"Evil will be punished.

That's why neo-Nazi Azov battalion will be wiped off the face of the earth by the time the war is over.

52 posted on 04/23/2022 4:29:39 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Navy Patriot
Fun Facts: Beryllium’s toxicity to Humans is elemental in nature, and advocates of War must have Beryllium’s reflection to detonate Thermonuclear weapons of Mass Destruction.

And everyone says it's the 'neocons' who are giddy for a nuclear war when it's actually the putin bots parroting the giddiness of the RT news broadcasters on the subject.

53 posted on 04/23/2022 4:50:01 PM PDT by Brellium (Why Z? Because someone stole the other half of the swastika.)
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To: Brellium

And you misspelled Beryllium.


54 posted on 04/23/2022 4:58:27 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Navy Patriot
uh-huh, is that so..

Tell us more about those fantasy's you've been having about nuclear armageddon.

55 posted on 04/23/2022 5:05:52 PM PDT by Brellium (Why Z? Because someone stole the other half of the swastika.)
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To: cpdiii

Why would Russia waste a million dollar missile on a random apartment building is Odessa? For what strategic purpose? For the wonderful publicity? They go after fuel and ammo dumps, troop concentrations, tanks, aircraft, and war materiel. Obviously. People should dial down the emotions and turn up the logic. Bucha was proven to be a Ukrainian propaganda operation. You literally see the Uke soldiers dragging corpses onto the streets to set the “scene” for the media. Same with the train station rocket attack. The serial number on the engine casing proved it was owned by Ukraine and fired by Ukraine from a Ukraine position, They deliberately killed 50 of their civilians for the propaganda benefit. You’re dealing with a sick Nazi culture. The Zelenski regime and all its fascist militias will face a Nuremberg type of trial for their crimes in Donbas since 2014. Then we will see who was lying, who was telling the truth and who was getting rich.


56 posted on 04/23/2022 6:48:06 PM PDT by Antioch (Benedikt Gott Geschickt)
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To: dmzTahoe

At one point, CCCP had roughly 55,000 nuclear warheads.

They played a game however. Or maybe more accurately, they played us like a piano.

As early as the mid 1960’s, before the formal NPT (1968), CCCP began quietly using “sleight of hand”, by hiding actual real numbers, and warhead power.

In anticipation of high pressure “reduction agreements/treaties”, and desiring to look good to Western creditors, there was a sudden reduction in known nuclear warheads from which CCCP would even have on the table in negotiations.

Of course today *formally we know quite a bit more about this, in part because of Bush 43, and much more so because of Trump 45.

Rather than negotiate with actual warhead numbers, Clinton would look the other way, while CCCP/CIS nuclear officials quietly and laterally moved many thousands of warheads from the Russian Strategic Rocket Forces over to the Russian Ministry of Energy. It happens multiple times. As such we were blind.

In doing so, these warheads were not part of nuclear weapons “negotiations”.

As well, they played games with us involving number of warheads on MIRV missile platforms.

Actual execution of this CCCP/CIS sleight of hand strategy did not happen with Reagan (or because of Reagan Doctrine).

This took place as the CCCP/CIS (same people/same authority) realized they could pull it off, largely due to their correct conclusion the leftist mass media and press would cover the failure up for Clinton (which they did).

As such, when we played along, Reagan’s “Trust but Verify” was gutted, as it was for all WMD’s. To this near totally gutted. There are many locations, installations, and facilities we still have never gained access to. Even cities.

Meanwhile, Clinton had RUsFed scientists and military crawling all over everything stateside. (So it wasn’t just Clinton and China (ChinaGate) by a very long shot).

Rather than destroy warheads, the Kremlin has been in a recycle/redevelopment phase since before Yeltsin was forced to appoint Putin as President. So not 1997/1998, but quietly surviving all of the 1990’s, with lateral movement and recycle programs extending back through Gorbachev and Putin.

To this day, we know a lot, but also know we don’t know a lot.

Another detrimental Putin involved effor—

*While young, Putin was one of Gorbachev’s most trusted KGB officers, and involved in multiple high level meetings between Gorbachev and Reagan, and Gorbachev and Supreme Soviet leadership and CCCP and later CIS military hierarchy.

He was also involved in planning early CIS architecture from 1987(ish). He and his team were also directly involved in recruitment and ties to both eventual German Chancellor’s Schroeder and Merkel.

Of course since then, Putin has placed Schroeder in leadership of 3 of Russia’s biggest and most valuable energy projects, including Gazprom and NS-2.

Putin team was also heavily involved in planning and creation of Gorbachev’s “Green Cross”, the organization which largely architected the UN’s “Global Warming/Climate Change” political structure, which included planning [from Rio to Paris summit’s], and multiple UN Agenda’s, including A-21, and WEF overlap)


57 posted on 04/23/2022 8:25:14 PM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: Antioch

That wouldn’t surprise me in the least.


58 posted on 04/23/2022 8:46:02 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yet here you are bothering with me and contradicting yourself at the same time.


59 posted on 04/24/2022 1:30:25 PM PDT by MercyFlush (The Soviet Empire is right now doing a dead cat bounce.)
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To: jimwatx

Lol, sounds like you’re describing the Democrats!


60 posted on 04/24/2022 1:47:45 PM PDT by MercyFlush (The Soviet Empire is right now doing a dead cat bounce.)
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