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To: nosf40

“All of these events pale in comparison with the situation in Ukraine”.

The level of destruction did not differ significantly in Syria, Iraq or Serbia from what is happening in Ukraine.

And at least as many civilians were killed.


217 posted on 04/15/2022 5:01:13 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: All

The mistakes Putin has made are self-evident. The mistakes our side have made are somewhat less clearly visible. And the only mistake most Ukrainians made was to believe that anyone was on their side.

I don’t know if Putin would settle for a deal where Russia gets to keep just the two eastern enclaves and Crimea, which they pretty much rule de facto now anyway. There are probably those in the west willing to continue to support Zelensky’s probable rejection of that compromise. But if he himself accepted it and conveyed that to Putin, then what?

It would no doubt have to be linked to Ukrainian neutral status but NATO has not made much noise about including Ukraine anyway. I would have more respect for our NATO governments if they made a strong appeal to both sides to settle on this basis. Otherwise if they expect a complete withdrawal of Russia from even those areas, this will likely drag on for quite a long time. If Putin would not settle on this basis, then he clearly over-reaches and that would be about as far as we could reasonably go, probably further than he deserves but realpolitik sometimes requires distasteful solutions to avoid worse catastrophes on a larger scale.

I can’t see how anybody, globalist or Putin or Ukrainian nationalist gains anything from a long continuation of this mess. It is actually a war that nobody can win and everybody can lose.


220 posted on 04/15/2022 5:30:02 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell ("Vlad, next time you have a special operation, run it by us first, okay?")
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To: Mariner

Putin’s war against Ukraine just started. If this conflict continues with similar intensity for a few years, the death and destruction will be much worse than those in Syria or Iraq.

Serbia’s destruction in 1999 NATO bombing was much smaller in comparison to the other conflicts mentioned. Serbia lost approximately 2000 people in 78 days.


229 posted on 04/15/2022 9:47:24 PM PDT by nosf40
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