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Is the Bucha Massacre A Ukrainian False Flag?
Helleninscope ^ | 5 April 22 | Larry Johnson

Posted on 04/05/2022 4:27:48 PM PDT by delta7

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To: ought-six

“Add to that Zelensky encouraging civilians to act as illegal combatants and this was bound to happen.”

But, are they illegal combatants? Defending one’s hearth and home and family is not dependent on being a member of a nation’s formal military. However, once they pick up a weapon and start fighting they are fair game.
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Having served in our military ( 82nd) I am well versed on “ the rules of war”, you want to fight? Great, put on a uniform and grab your weapons. Arming a rag tag force ( mafia, civilians, criminals, etc) with military weapons and putting them in the battle field makes them guerillas, Fair game, big mistake.

Zelensky was an idiot, most those weapons will end up on the black market, and/or be used against the surviving government or EU, or sold off to the highest bidder.


61 posted on 04/05/2022 5:29:16 PM PDT by delta7
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To: Mariner

Re: Realpolitik, you assume dictators are practical. Some — such as Tito — were or are practical; others, such as Mussolini and Hitler and Saddam Hussein, were and are decidedly NOT practical.


62 posted on 04/05/2022 5:32:44 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: AAABEST

“All hail Putin! We love that magnificent bastard.”

I think that’s what you meant to post.


63 posted on 04/05/2022 5:33:26 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: datura

You were in East Germany behind the wall?


64 posted on 04/05/2022 5:33:54 PM PDT by Rusty0604 (" When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." -Ronald Reagan)
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To: delta7

Indications are that yes, its yet another false flag. The Ukes are losing. Their main army in the Donbas is now surrounded and cut off.

Expect a flurry of false flags as they try desperately to get others involved to bail them out. Expect the globalists to do all they can to amplify these false flags. Their whole agenda is teetering on the brink. They just lost several elections badly, Russia has bounced back from sanctions and a key client state is losing the war they provoked.


65 posted on 04/05/2022 5:34:01 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: GreyFriar

I figure that the sections of FSB, like the KGB before it, is following the troops and getting rid of the politically undesirable Ukrainians. The KGB squads did this in WWII just as the SS troops dedicated to insuring that ‘untermenschen’ were disposed of after the combat troops pushed forward.
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Zelensky has been killing “ traitors” of Ukraine also. A member of Ukraine’s first negotiating team was shot in the head on the street by the Ukrainian security forces- admitted by themselves. No trial, just declared a traitor to Ukraine then murdered in the street.


66 posted on 04/05/2022 5:34:22 PM PDT by delta7
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To: Lurker

Yet, hypocritically, there are those here who toe the line of those lies almost word for word.

Maddening.


67 posted on 04/05/2022 5:34:57 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: datura

I find it comical that during the 90’s & 2000s that conservatives would rip liberals for not recognizing that there is evil in the world and that there’s right and there is wrong. Fast forward to today and some conservatives are bending over backwards in saying both Russia and Ukraine are the bad guys. It’s sickening.


68 posted on 04/05/2022 5:35:13 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: delta7

“Having served in our military ( 82nd) I am well versed on “ the rules of war””

Having served in our military (USAF) I am well-versed on the rules of war, as well. Want to try again?


69 posted on 04/05/2022 5:35:25 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Monterrosa-24

That is a complete and criminal lie and you know it.
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Don’t argue with me, argue with the UN.


70 posted on 04/05/2022 5:35:41 PM PDT by delta7
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To: Lurker
Everyone is lying. Including our government.

Damn' right. For whatever stupid reason, I was watching the news out of the corner of my eye while at a board meeting tonight. It sure appeared to me that the "news" media is doing all they can to peddle going to war against Russia. There was no shortage of showing dead bodies in Ukraine today on the news. No "graphic pictures" warning like they used to do whenever a disturbing picture or video was shown, they (CBS specifically) just kept showing picture after picture of dead civilian bodies in Ukraine.

Feels like WW3 is coming. They're pushing it hard, and it's being done to cover Biden's lying corrupt and incompetent dumbass.

71 posted on 04/05/2022 5:37:11 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: tlozo

“Sure thats why Putin’s director of the Foreign Intelligence Service of Russia looks terrified and tongue tied with Putin.”

Completely irrelevant to my assertion.

A realist surrounded by realists.


72 posted on 04/05/2022 5:37:14 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: ought-six

Yet, the one thing we CAN be sure of is that Putin invaded a sovereign nation.

Without that invasion, none of the subsequent things happen to question and argue about.


73 posted on 04/05/2022 5:37:54 PM PDT by CrazyCatChick (DEATH POKE!)
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To: CrazyCatChick

I don’t think Russia has gone all out.
Putin has measured his advances and retreats, as in the case of Kiev, knowing full well what the tactics and cappabilities of the opposing army and it’s benefactors have in their arsenal.
Having fought and measured the West since WW-2, Russia’s myriad of advanced capabilities in weapons systems and technology did not just run out their expiration date by sitting iddly by through a ‘stagnant’ cold war.
I know for a fact, and here, some will roast me for being vague and not presenting evidence, but I DO know the Russians are ahead of us in ‘some’ underwater warfare systems.
I believe Putin has played his cards well,considering what brought him to this point.
A. Putin is more sly and more of a strategist ​than Biden will ever think to be.
B. Believe all these stories coming out of the war zone at your own peril.
When truth finally comes out and people are let down, because they were so sure and so emotionally invested into the narrative, those people I feel sorry for.
I pray for them because I know later in their life they will hate themselves, or should anyway, for having been so utterly duped not only of themselves but also for paying the narrative forward at the detriment of innocents in their lives.


74 posted on 04/05/2022 5:38:17 PM PDT by Rainwave ("Work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling")
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To: CrazyCatChick

“Yet, the one thing we CAN be sure of is that Putin invaded a sovereign nation. Without that invasion, none of the subsequent things happen to question and argue about.”

Absolutely.


75 posted on 04/05/2022 5:38:53 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Rusty0604
Do you have absolute proof that was work of the Russians? I didn’t think so.

Sure the satellite pictures show the bodies March 19 lying on the streets. The bodies were there, seen by reporters. ALL the surviving villagers are saying the Russian soldiers took the men and shot them, some in front of their wives. You want more proof. F___ off.

76 posted on 04/05/2022 5:39:01 PM PDT by tlozo (Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
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To: delta7

The town’s name “Bucha” sounds like “Butcher” raises my eybrows.

Its like the Pharma companies marketing products with catchy names like “Eliquis” and so on.


77 posted on 04/05/2022 5:39:24 PM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: ought-six

I’m making the assertion/suggestion this particular dictator is practical.


78 posted on 04/05/2022 5:39:55 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: delta7

Desperate people do desperate things.


79 posted on 04/05/2022 5:40:05 PM PDT by McGruff (A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is still putting on it's shoes.)
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To: FLT-bird

“The Ukes are losing. Their main army in the Donbas is now surrounded and cut off.”

bwaha! Where did you read that? Southfront?


80 posted on 04/05/2022 5:40:36 PM PDT by FreshPrince
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