Posted on 04/04/2022 8:52:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
But once one realises that these bodies - asserted to have been left by the Russians on the 30th - only showed up on video on the 3rd despite being left on a busy street - then we have a good idea what went on.
Sigh. I was hoping for better, but apparently you believe that the dastardly Russians shoot people with bullets that turn them invisible for two days.
Without knocking FreeRepublic at all — Quite the contrary
- As a lifelong Soldier/Marine guy, (now having served in a different role for some time), I have been officially deployed multiple times, and on numerous foreign missions, many of which would blow most minds.
- As an unashamed practicing fundamentalist “Evangelical” Believer, who believes Scripture was “not merely written by the hands of men”, or a bunch of well meaning people, but rather was “God breathed”, and “written as Gods spirit carried them [dictated]”
- As a student and lover of truth and non-revisionist history
- I am fundamentally and principally more conservative (also more hated),
- More patriotic than most would want to associate with
- More anti-neocon,
- More anti-nazi,
- More anti-socialist,
- More against the fundamental beliefs of the atheistic humanism (represented in Humanist Manifesto’s I & II), which are at the core and responsible for both the NAZI and the Socialist/Communist (also the basis of Communist Manifesto’s I & II), than most on FreeRepublic.
As well, I have spent most of a decade in Russia, have spent significant time in Ukraine, and have many friends and contacts in both. Over the past month, I have had Christian conservative Russian* and American friends on the ground across UA, and they have witnessed large scale civilian targeting and death of UA civilians. They h
have also come under fire in multiple locations, trying to evacuate, and deliver water and food. Some of those (including Russian nationals), who were trying to help, were hunted and killed by Russian soldiers, as well as Russian backed mercenaries.
In these cases, this was Russian killing well marked Russian aid workers, and not merely Russian fighters killing Ukrainians.
friends
1. There is no “Nazi” AZOV Bde. As a matter of record, for this fight, (right or wrong/hated or not/and with pre-known Putin propaganda value), UA took what we knew were roughly 450-500 Azov NAZI fighters (a small BN), took them, and added roughly 2200 UA regulars.
You can argue it was wrong to integrate the “Azov BN” into a new “stood-up” Bde, but you cannot argue this is a neo-Nazi Bde. To borrow a medical term, to do so is not “clinical” (factual), and is an emotionally driven and terribly false mis-characterization of the roughly 2200 hundred UA Army and Guard comprising 4/5’s of this Bde.
Additionally, you are one of those on Freerepublic who continue to regurgitate patently false information as to what is actually well understood as UNKNOWN casualty counts from Eaatern Ukraine.
The actual numbers from both sides of the conflict are deliberately (as in intentionally) non-published, but are SIGNIFICANTLY DIVIDED — PERIOD.
Information from both, but predominantly Russia has been, and is kept unpublished, as it would reveal much more direct effort and long term strategy from Moscow, to take Eastern Ukraine and more.
The best info available includes efforts from Russian NGO’s, and paints worse picture than most are aware.
MULTIPLE SOURCES —
*Approximate RUS/UA Donbas Death Count
Ukraine —
UAF, NGU, and UA Volunteer Approx Soldiers dead — 4,641
6 APR 2014 to 23 FEB 2022
*******
DPR (RUS Supported Donetsk Forces)
LPR (RUS Supported Luhansk Forces)
Approx Dead - 5,795
6 APR 2014 to 23 FEB 2022
https://informnapalm.org/en/russian-neo-nazis-in-the-ranks-of-wagner-pmc/
https://bitterwinter.org/nazism-in-ukraine-7-russian-propaganda/
https://bitterwinter.org/nazism-in-ukraine-6-pro-russian-nazi-fighters/
https://newslanc.com/tsukerman-russian-nazi-volunteers-in-donbas/
Russian Communist/Nazi alliance fighting in Donbas to take Eastern Ukraine for Russia —
Communist and NAZI’s supported and fighting together
https://www.outono.net/elentir/2022/03/01/the-alliance-of-pro-russian-communists-and-nazis-fighting-against-ukraine-in-donbas/
Sent from Russia —
https://khpg.org/en/1608809502
https://khpg.org/en/1445287320
Russian 8th Army in Ukraine —
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_separatist_forces_in_Donbas
SCROLL DOWN AND LOOK AT SOME OF THESE PICS
https://newslanc.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/volunteer05.png
*******
Uniformed Russian Armed Forces
(low approximate)
Dead - 500 (US State Department)
From 6 APR 2014 to 10 MAR 2015*
>>Russian news site Delovaya Zhizn (Business Life) reported approximately 2,000 RUS Army Dead in Ukraine by
1 FEB 2015 <<
*******
>> Elana Vasilyeva (multiple Russian Sources)
“Cargo-200-08-01-2018.pdf”
Reports 4,424 RUS Army Dead by AUG 2018 in Eastern Ukraine <<
http://gruz200.zzz.com.ua/
Their efforts include multiple hard and digital sources —
“The names come out after a while,” Vasilieva explains. “For example, there is a call sign and the date of death. A few months later, a message comes: his name and surname are so and so, or ‘he’s from this Russian city.’ So, we add little by little, and then we have complete information.” (Elana Vasilyeva)
Difficult to Track —
“We kept count until mid-2015, and then stopped. It became awfully difficult to determine: Russian or separatist. They are without any documents, disguised. They often write “the deceased is from Horlivka / Makiivka”. You start to dig up, and he turns to be from Murmansk region, or Khabarovsk territory.” (Elana Vasilyeva)
“In many cases only one dead person from the unit was identified. However, it does not mean that the unit survived. Just information about only one person was posted on social media. We also had *problems with the search for information about deceased personnel from non-Russian speaking regions of Russia.
I know that very many people from Chechnya, Dagestan, Tatarstan and Bashkiria have died there. But such information is scarce, because *not all relatives of the dead military post in Russian “In loving memory” on social media. So, we lose a significant percentage of those killed in action (KIAs).” (Oksana Gorelova)
Committee of Soldiers’ Mothers
“There is no information on the number of deaths”
Secretary of the Union of Committees of Soldiers’ Mothers, Valentina Melnikova, noted that during the war in Chechnya relatives of Russian soldiers massively appealed to human rights activists.
However, in the situation with the aggression against Ukraine they do not appeal to them.
The reason for this can be found in the actions of the Russian authorities.
They are using the stick and the carrot method.
— The official death compensation payment is up to 5 million rubles (about $88,000 at the exchange rate). In addition, the FSB officers conduct “talks” with relatives to *prevent them from disseminating information about fatalities in Ukraine —
Russian researcher Kirill Mikhailov, from the Conflict Intelligence Team shares a similar opinion. This group researches military conflicts using open sources.
“Half of those killed in action on the DPR/LPR side are Russians – (Mikhailov)
https://uacrisis.org/en/56592-traceless-regiment-russian-military-losses-donbas
*******
(Western Sourced Pre 23 FEB 2022) Approximate Total UA Soldier / RUS Backed Fighters Dead 10,936
NOT Counting DZ leak 2015, or RUS C-200 Tracker RUS Soldiers dead to or from 2015/2018 <<
“Clearly RUS is intentionally not disclosing additional uniformed and non-uniformed soldiers dead, as this would reveal degree of involvement and war detail, and allows for numbers to be “civilian” deaths”
*******
8 years of war in Eastern Ukraine -
Likely over 3,000 civilians killed from both sides.
Over 1.5 million forced to flee from both Russian Offensive Line of Contact, of RUS backed Donetsk and Luhansk, as well as those forced to flee their homes and family farms from within Russian backed region.
https://euobserver.com/opinion/154416
*******
3,393 Civilians killed in Donbas Region, including 312 foreign (noncombat)
Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 —
298 Civilians killed in flight by Russian missile
The shoot-down occurred during the 31 Miles from the official RUS/UA border, a.d 25 miles inside the area controlled by pro-Russian rebels.
The Boeing 777-200ER was Shot down by a Buk 9M83 surface-to-air missile transported from Russia on the day of the incident.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17
*******
Ain’t a grandpa - n00b.
Unlike you, people here know me, and know I stay in top physical condition. They also know my daughter is only 14 - too young for grandkids.
Conversely, nobody knows $*** about you, except that you’re a hunk of mystery meat serial posting about the Ukes and trying to buy off management.
Without knocking FreeRepublic at all — Quite the contrary
- As a lifelong Soldier/Marine guy, (now having served in a different role for some time), I have been officially deployed multiple times, and on numerous foreign missions, many of which would blow most minds.
- As an unashamed practicing fundamentalist “Evangelical” Believer, who believes Scripture was “not merely written by the hands of men”, or a bunch of well meaning people, but rather was “God breathed”, and “written as Gods spirit carried them [dictated]”
- As a student and lover of truth and non-revisionist history
- I am fundamentally and principally more conservative (also more hated),
- More patriotic than most would want to associate with
- More anti-neocon,
- More anti-nazi,
- More anti-socialist,
- More against the fundamental beliefs of the atheistic humanism (represented in Humanist Manifesto’s I & II), which are at the core and responsible for both the NAZI and the Socialist/Communist (also the basis of Communist Manifesto’s I & II), than most on FreeRepublic.
As well, I have spent most of a decade in Russia, have spent significant time in Ukraine, and have many friends and contacts in both. Over the past month, I have had Christian conservative Russian* and American friends on the ground across UA, and they have witnessed large scale civilian targeting and death of UA civilians. They h
have also come under fire in multiple locations, trying to evacuate, and deliver water and food. Some of those (including Russian nationals), who were trying to help, were hunted and killed by Russian soldiers, as well as Russian backed mercenaries.
In these cases, this was Russian killing well marked Russian aid workers, and not merely Russian fighters killing Ukrainians.
— There is no “Nazi” AZOV Bde. As a matter of record, for this fight, (right or wrong/hated or not/and with pre-known Putin propaganda value), UA took what we knew were roughly 450-500 Azov NAZI fighters (a small BN), took them, and added roughly 2200 UA regulars.
You can argue it was wrong to integrate the “Azov BN” into a new “stood-up” Bde, but you cannot argue this is a neo-Nazi Bde. To borrow a medical term, to do so is not “clinical” (factual), and is an emotionally driven and terribly false mis-characterization of the roughly 2200 hundred UA Army and Guard comprising 4/5’s of this Bde.
Additionally, you are one of those on Freerepublic who continue to regurgitate patently false information as to what is actually well understood as UNKNOWN casualty counts from Eaatern Ukraine.
The actual numbers from both sides of the conflict are deliberately (as in intentionally) non-published, but are SIGNIFICANTLY DIVIDED — PERIOD.
Information from both, but predominantly Russia has been, and is kept unpublished, as it would reveal much more direct effort and long term strategy from Moscow, to take Eastern Ukraine and more.
The best info available includes efforts from Russian NGO’s, and paints worse picture than most are aware.
MULTIPLE SOURCES —
*Approximate RUS/UA Donbas Death Count
Ukraine —
UAF, NGU, and UA Volunteer Approx Soldiers dead — 4,641
6 APR 2014 to 23 FEB 2022
*******
DPR (RUS Supported Donetsk Forces)
LPR (RUS Supported Luhansk Forces)
Approx Dead - 5,795
6 APR 2014 to 23 FEB 2022
HARD BREAK —
Deaths of the following, are far less likely to be counted, as it would reveal how Moscow has literally been training and supporting neo-NAZI’s, and since 2004/2005 not just in Eastern Ukraine —
https://informnapalm.org/en/russian-neo-nazis-in-the-ranks-of-wagner-pmc/
https://bitterwinter.org/nazism-in-ukraine-7-russian-propaganda/
https://bitterwinter.org/nazism-in-ukraine-6-pro-russian-nazi-fighters/
https://newslanc.com/tsukerman-russian-nazi-volunteers-in-donbas/
Russian Communist/Nazi alliance fighting in Donbas to take Eastern Ukraine for Russia —
Communist and NAZI’s supported and fighting together
https://www.outono.net/elentir/2022/03/01/the-alliance-of-pro-russian-communists-and-nazis-fighting-against-ukraine-in-donbas/
Sent from Russia —
https://khpg.org/en/1608809502
https://khpg.org/en/1445287320
Russian 8th Army in Ukraine —
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_separatist_forces_in_Donbas
SCROLL DOWN AND LOOK AT SOME OF THESE PICS
https://newslanc.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/volunteer05.png
*******
Uniformed Russian Armed Forces
(low approximate)
Dead - 500 (US State Department)
From 6 APR 2014 to 10 MAR 2015*
>>Russian news site Delovaya Zhizn (Business Life) reported approximately 2,000 RUS Army Dead in Ukraine by
1 FEB 2015 <<
*******
>> Elana Vasilyeva (multiple Russian Sources)
“Cargo-200-08-01-2018.pdf”
Reports 4,424 RUS Army Dead by AUG 2018 in Eastern Ukraine <<
http://gruz200.zzz.com.ua/
Their efforts include multiple hard and digital sources —
“The names come out after a while,” Vasilieva explains. “For example, there is a call sign and the date of death. A few months later, a message comes: his name and surname are so and so, or ‘he’s from this Russian city.’ So, we add little by little, and then we have complete information.” (Elana Vasilyeva)
Difficult to Track —
“We kept count until mid-2015, and then stopped. It became awfully difficult to determine: Russian or separatist. They are without any documents, disguised. They often write “the deceased is from Horlivka / Makiivka”. You start to dig up, and he turns to be from Murmansk region, or Khabarovsk territory.” (Elana Vasilyeva)
“In many cases only one dead person from the unit was identified. However, it does not mean that the unit survived. Just information about only one person was posted on social media. We also had *problems with the search for information about deceased personnel from non-Russian speaking regions of Russia.
I know that very many people from Chechnya, Dagestan, Tatarstan and Bashkiria have died there. But such information is scarce, because *not all relatives of the dead military post in Russian “In loving memory” on social media. So, we lose a significant percentage of those killed in action (KIAs).” (Oksana Gorelova)
Committee of Soldiers’ Mothers
“There is no information on the number of deaths”
Secretary of the Union of Committees of Soldiers’ Mothers, Valentina Melnikova, noted that during the war in Chechnya relatives of Russian soldiers massively appealed to human rights activists.
However, in the situation with the aggression against Ukraine they do not appeal to them.
The reason for this can be found in the actions of the Russian authorities.
They are using the stick and the carrot method.
— The official death compensation payment is up to 5 million rubles (about $88,000 at the exchange rate). In addition, the FSB officers conduct “talks” with relatives to *prevent them from disseminating information about fatalities in Ukraine —
Russian researcher Kirill Mikhailov, from the Conflict Intelligence Team shares a similar opinion. This group researches military conflicts using open sources.
“Half of those killed in action on the DPR/LPR side are Russians – (Mikhailov)
https://uacrisis.org/en/56592-traceless-regiment-russian-military-losses-donbas
*******
(Western Sourced Pre 23 FEB 2022) Approximate Total UA Soldier / RUS Backed Fighters Dead 10,936
NOT Counting DZ leak 2015, or RUS C-200 Tracker RUS Soldiers dead to or from 2015/2018 <<
“Clearly RUS is intentionally not disclosing additional uniformed and non-uniformed soldiers dead, as this would reveal degree of involvement and war detail, and allows for numbers to be “civilian” deaths”
*******
8 years of war in Eastern Ukraine -
Likely over 3,000 civilians killed from both sides.
Over 1.5 million forced to flee from both Russian Offensive Line of Contact, of RUS backed Donetsk and Luhansk, as well as those forced to flee their homes and family farms from within Russian backed region.
https://euobserver.com/opinion/154416
*******
3,393 Civilians killed in Donbas Region, including 312 foreign (noncombat)
Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 —
298 Civilians killed in flight by Russian missile
The shoot-down occurred during the 31 Miles from the official RUS/UA border, a.d 25 miles inside the area controlled by pro-Russian rebels.
The Boeing 777-200ER was Shot down by a Buk 9M83 surface-to-air missile transported from Russia on the day of the incident.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17
*******
CASUALTY COUNT (MILITARY AND CIVILIAN) IS DIVIDED —
Some people may not know much about me. A couple of others have figured me out.
In your case I need only look at your recent posting history to see what a charmer you are. Here’s some selections of literary monkey poo that you’ve thrown at other Freepers in the past day or so:
4/4/2022, 10:01:07 AM · 42 of 50
AAABEST to Magnum44
And your aircraft accident investigative experience consists of?
Since the mods want to perpetually remove my comments for losing patience with the perpetually dumb, like you, I’ll say again:
4/4/2022, 6:52:54 AM · 39 of 96
AAABEST to Berlin_Freeper
Why is it so many of the pro-war harpies posting trash like this have foreign screen names?
One has, literally, a Chinese name. Another’s English is clearly his second language.
Don’t you people have venues in your own countries to trash?
GTFO... war-mongering pieces OS.
4/4/2022, 6:31:51 AM · 15 of 96
AAABEST to Berlin_Freeper
Blithering idiot + serial-posting propaganda = you.
Globaloid green-eyed goons will NOT stop posting $*** like this until America is full-in with boots on the ground, and they’re funding both sides.
4/4/2022, 6:17:46 AM · 91 of 122
AAABEST to GonzoII
The only thing that’s “obvious” is that you’re stupider than a.pile of lag-bolts.
Seriously.
4/2/2022, 12:05:01 PM · 48 of 125
AAABEST to IndispensableDestiny
LOOK LOOK...war crimes! < /JokePoster>
GTFO of my face - ignorant FOOL.
4/1/2022, 5:46:34 PM · 6 of 28
AAABEST to conservative98
Yeah okay...whateva”.
Get off the stage - Soros boy.
4/1/2022, 12:06:02 PM · 17 of 61
AAABEST to Jim W N
I don’t see how...
Because you’re not that bright and easily confused, so you go around bleating, like some dumb sheep - “baaaaa youu support puuuuuuttiiinnn.”
Reading with comprehension is hard for you,I understand, but the poster was only copy and pasting a what was reported.
3/30/2022, 9:30:56 AM · 65 of 73
AAABEST to babble-on
No. Married 26 years and, as many of the people here who know me will tell you, I’m doing very well.
All I know about you is your lips sewn to the Cheney’s asses...as per your own profile.
Going after member’s creds while having none makes you look look dumb.
3/30/2022, 7:00:45 AM · 26 of 73
AAABEST to babble-on; ScottinVA
Talk about homepages, yours has you as a Cheney suckler....ie zero-creds. Most here would be embarrassed to admit that.
And I joined way before 2010, and way before either of you two s***-eaters.
Here’s hoping Ukraine gets smashed to ash and rubble. Only because I know how much anus pain it’ll cause Cheney scumbuckets.
3/28/2022, 8:58:08 PM · 71 of 178
AAABEST to Kevmo
Shut up and sit down.
Where did she say it? Link, please. The opposite is true.
Tyler Durden is not one person - it is a group of authors on ZeroHedge that wish to remain anonymous.
That’s because Russia is not being defeated at every possible corner or humiliated - and the Ruble has completely recovered from the attack on the Ruble sanctions from the SWIFT system.
You wouldn’t need more sanctions if Russia was losing.
Stop believing the media
Thanks, PMAS, that helps, I didn’t think of Durden as a Group.
I’ve been reading Zerohedge for over 10 years and they said many years ago that the authors all work in the financial industry and didn’t want to lose their jobs, be attacked, etc.
Also, the name Tyler Durden is the character in the movie Fight Club that is played by Brad Pitt
...the name Tyler Durden is the character in the movie Fight Club that is played by Brad Pitt.
That I did know, that's why I knew Durden was a Nom De Plume, and I asked about the multiple sources.
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