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To: ETCM

If anyone should be willing to fight for Ukraine, it’s Europe. ... It’s not just about oil and gas, it’s about power and global influence.
***They’re wusses, looking for someone else to take up their fight. A lot like Taiwan.

Britain and Ireland signed the Budapest Agreement, and it is clearly violated by those 2 invasions. So the Brits & Irish should be sending boots on the ground. Oh, lookie here, WE signed that agreement as well. So... uhhh.... now all of a sudden the refuse-to-learn-Sudetenland-lesson appeasers are all about making this Europe’s problem.

Russia INVADING Ukraine twice is a clear violation of that agreement. They claim that it’s not an invasion, it’s a “special military exercises”. Then SO CAN WE claim a “special military exercise” to “respect the borders” of Ukraine as SIGNED in the Budapest agreement. What’s not-invasion sauce for the pootypoot goose is not-invasion sauce for the USA gander. In my view, as long as we put boots on the ground in any conflagration, we should insist on emBASEees.
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28 posted on 03/30/2022 12:56:09 PM PDT by Kevmo (Give back Ukes their Nukes https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044080/posts)
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To: Kevmo

The Budapest agreement was a mere “memorandum of understanding”.

It was not a treaty.
There was no enforcement mechanism in the document.

It was only signed by the leaders of 3 countries, it was never endorsed by their legislative bodies.

To what degree can the president of united states bind later governments of the US with a mere signature on a signing agreement with foreign powers?

NOT AT ALL. Not even a little bit.

If they could, we’d all be bound by Kyoto right now, which also was merely signed by the President and never ratified (or even put to a vote) by congress. If they could, the USA could obligate USA foreign policy forever with a simple signature all over the place.

If you don’t understand why no one feels bound by the Budapest memorandum, it’s because you don’t understand the nature of it.

China and France later signed a significantly weaker version of the statement. You said Ireland signed it, they didn’t.

What do you think about NATO, including the USA bombing Serbia for 78 days from high altitude, killing many civilians? To force Serbia to give up territory it held for centuries. If the borders and invasion of Serbia were correct, then why not in Ukraine? If the border changes are so very wrong, then what about Serbia? Should they be given back their territory?

I don’t mention this to be some kind of wiseguy, I mention it because the precedent for the whole world has been changed with the forcible border changes in Serbia. There are situations all over the world, and throughout Europe, where portions of a country would like to be independent.


33 posted on 03/30/2022 1:12:00 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Kevmo
Britain and Ireland signed the Budapest Agreement, and it is clearly violated by those 2 invasions. So the Brits & Irish should be sending boots on the ground. Oh, lookie here, WE signed that agreement as well.

There was no security guaranty in the Budapest Memorandum. Even if Russia attacks Ukraine with nuclear weapons, the memorandum only requires that we “seek immediate United Nations Security Council action”. Our primary obligation under the memorandum is to respect their sovereignty and refrain from using military force against them.

Memorandum on security assurances in connection with Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons

34 posted on 03/30/2022 1:13:27 PM PDT by ETCM
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