[Bruce Campbells Chin]

never came across one before let alone throw ice water on them. And how do you know they are brave?

Because if there weren't brave Ukrainians, the country would have fallen three weeks ago.

[SmokingJoe]

Because if there weren't brave Ukrainians, the country would have fallen three weeks ago.

Versus the nearly three months it took for America with all these super high tech weapons to initially overthrow the Taliban regime with their WW1 weapons and stone age tactics?
Plus the 20 years it took for the Taliban to eventually kick Dementia Joe's America out of Afghanistan?