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To: patriotfury

Don’t think so, the Russians were not finished, but trying to get the West into another war would have been impossible, Britain was finished, all of them were, even we were tired of war. The experts be damned, we would have been fighting on their turf, threatening their homeland, they would have fought to the last man and woman.


56 posted on 03/19/2022 11:57:39 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Captain Peter Blood

Stalin was ruthless.

We had Gen staff who knew our greatest enemy wasn’t actually Hitler, or that Stalin was equally depraved as Hitler.

We would not have played his game.

In RUS, as you know, only the East side of Moscow had a pathway open.

Russia, it’s people, it’s war machine were truly devastated.

In the Great War Memorial in Moscow, they are reluctant to even acknowledge there was a Western front and allies.

However, there is strong dialogue on having nearly lost the “Great Patriotic War”, and in detail.

As well, (and maybe you have), you can see the large memorials of tank stops, almost right down to метро Речной вокзал
Metro Station Rechnoy Vokzal at the top of the green line.

This part seems strange to me, but Roosevelt went so far as sharing the Federal Reserve US 1 Dollar plates so to pay workers building tanks and equipment, and to pay his officers, as he was facing the threat of mass desertion, and contrary to some Western historians, it had happened in multiple cities from East of Moscow, the Urals, and into Siberia.

Many people absolutely hated Stalin.

They really truly were not fighting for Stalin, but rather for their lives.

The real Stalin worship didn’t get going until the late 1950’s, and was largely involved the younger marxist groomed generation post Great War.


64 posted on 03/19/2022 1:58:18 PM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: Captain Peter Blood

In this case, you are not only saying certain US Generals were wrong, based on our interaction in 1993 you are saying the Russian and Warsaw derived Generals are wrong. And they knew the hearts and score on the ground at the time.

Not saying it would have been easy, but in my opinion, fight the Germans and Italy hard, defeat Japan, allow and utilize the brutal Eastern socialists smashing each other, but we had no business doing business in favor of Stalin’s regime.

As well, who could carte blanche give a sociopathic marxist genocidal maniac, non-self determiniative control of the nearly all of Eastern Europe? And worse, stipulated on helping us defeat Japan, all the while Stalin insisting on allied troops leaving China (within the context of Lenin having picked Mao (1921/22), to lead a communist revolution across China and East Asia?

Additionally, at the end, we had “The Bomb”, stalin did not.

We had roughly 16,000,000 military personnel by the war’s end: approximately 11,200,000 in the Army, 4,200,000 in the Navy, and 660,000 in the Marine Corps.

Far cry from 1939. On 1 July 1939, the strength of the active Army was approximately 174,000—three quarters of whom were scattered throughout the continental United States; the rest stationed overseas.

What an explosion and literal war machine.
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2017/06/26/us-involvement-in-wwii-how-the-military-grew/

Russian Academy of Sciences placed the number of actual Russian dead (not casualties), at roughly 26.6 million. 12 million fled to Siberia (often fleeing both Hitler and Stalin).

You are right though, (as with Germany, and largely due to teaching secular humanism, and God didn’t exist), those Russian soldiers were totally out of control, and civilians were horrifically brutalized...


66 posted on 03/19/2022 2:45:39 PM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a lcamels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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