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After this is over, ATF plans a "Fast And Furious" reward for the Kellgrens.
1 posted on 03/18/2022 3:45:37 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: Navy Patriot

He should have delivered them in person.


2 posted on 03/18/2022 3:51:07 PM PDT by McGruff (It's America First, stupid.)
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I don't know about that. Kellgrens has aligned itself with the Deep State, the Alphabets, and Uncle Joe.

3 posted on 03/18/2022 3:59:40 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: Navy Patriot

9mm SUB2000. Not exactly a combat rifle but certainly lethal. Too bad they aren’t the RFB 7.62 Bullpup. Perhaps the little carbine can be used to acquire an AK.


4 posted on 03/18/2022 4:02:23 PM PDT by ETCM
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To: Navy Patriot

Biden wants companies like this to be sued out of existence.


5 posted on 03/18/2022 4:03:17 PM PDT by MachIV
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To: Navy Patriot

Exactly!
No good deed goes unpunished, especially in the present day USA.


9 posted on 03/18/2022 4:27:35 PM PDT by caver
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American Gunmakers Help Ukrainians Fight Back Against Putin (KelTec)

Good for them.

11 posted on 03/18/2022 4:43:59 PM PDT by tlozo (Trump-the Russian invasion of Ukraine is " truly a crime against humanity")
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To: Navy Patriot
I had a few extra minutes and wondered exactly what ammo and firearms the NSSF was telling their members were needed.  So, I went and looked on their website, and here's what I found:

 First the Ammo

Caliber RequestedComments
  
7.62х39 mmFor the famous AK-47, AKA as "7.62 Commie" (maybe that's just me) or 7.62 Soviet.  I've always fount it interesting that his cartridge has very similar ballistics to the .30-30 Winchester, my favorite general purpose round
7.62x51 mmAmerican shooters will know this well, as the 7.62 NATO, cartridge can be virtually identical to .308 Winchester, though debate rages about whether it's "OK" to use the higher-pressure .308 in a 7.62 Rifle.  And don't even get started on differing headspace dimensions and other minutia.  In wartime, those debates would be mooted.
7.62x54mmMostly iused in Dragunov rifles (which can be excellent precision guns, or sniper rifles in this context.)  A cartridge with a long history, and shares a lot of the ballistic "range" with the 7.62 Nato and .308
.308 WINEveryone knows this one.  The basis of comparison of all of the other .30 cals 
5.45х39 mmI've never shot or loaded this cartridge, but it's what feeds the Soviet AK-74, which was the moment in time that the Russkies seem to have lost their minds and copied the Americans who gave up their M14's for .22 Caliber Stoner designs.  Never really caught on with the masses.  The ballistics charts say it should be ballistically stable out to 600 yards though, so not bad.
5.56х45 mmAlso well known to all, probably, but for the non-shottists, this is what you put through a military AR15 platform.  The civilian version is the .223 Remington, which would work just fine in a rifle (or pistol for that matter) chambered for 5.56 NATO, but they don't seem to want any of the civilian stuff.

And now the guns:

 

Sniper rifles chambered in .308 WIN or 7.62х51 mm and ammunition (including bipod and scope)If donating a non-.308 “sniper type” rifle, e.g., .338 Lapua or similar, Ukraine requests that manufacturers provide ammunition with the rifle.Interesting that they ask for ammo for their Dragunovs, but no more of those.  Guess they must have plenty of 'em.

Pistols and ammunition chambered in 9х19 mm

They want the pistols, but don't ask for any 9mm Luger ammo.  Again, they must have lots of it on hand, and the stuff is heavy to move around.

Extra magazines

Well, this makes sense.  You can't have too many magazines
Spare partsAgain, a sensible request

 

Looks like what they really want are the .30 cal bolties with good scopes and tripods, but I guess that they're happy to take Keltec's .9mm pistol caliber rifles if that's what's on offer.  FWIW, pistol calibers used in carbines or "rifles" as stated in this piece have always seemd to be a very specialized use case, and just don't make very good general-purpose pistol substitute being inconvieniently bigger, and aren't really very good "rifles" using as they do puny pistol cartridges.  But the principle of "any port in a storm" may well apply here.

13 posted on 03/18/2022 5:07:17 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Navy Patriot

It has been said that you never get a second chance to make a good first impression. My Kel-Tec first impression was not a good one. Later a different Kel-Tec and a different owner also yielded functionality problems.

That there is a whole ‘nother yarn of owner dissatisfaction despite the companys every effort to satisfy... needless to say my takeaway stems from being less than impressed and over at least a decade, remain so rightly or wrongly. And the owner/operator mentioned above never got that piece right. Darndest thing.


14 posted on 03/18/2022 5:10:50 PM PDT by Clutch Martin (The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.)
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Saw somewhere recently a vedio from Ukraine of the army using one of those. Was in the market for one but guess that will have to wait.


26 posted on 03/18/2022 11:49:03 PM PDT by Herakles (Diversity is applied Marxism les)
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