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To: kabar

My solution to Ukraine is

1. Ukraine vows to not join NATO
2. Ukraine accepts Donbas area previously (before Feb 24, 2022) as part of Russia.
3. Ukraine accepts Crimea as part of Russia.
4. All Russian forces immediate withdrawal from Ukraine identified in 2 & 3 above.
5. NATO promises not to allow Ukraine membership.
6. Russia vows never to invade Ukraine again.
7. All sanctions and arm sales go back to Ante Bellum status.


82 posted on 03/13/2022 9:29:03 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Rush, we're missing your take on all of this!)
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To: Alas Babylon!

So in other words the Ukraine should just completely surrender?


93 posted on 03/13/2022 10:32:27 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Alas Babylon!
I'll sign on to that. But you heard Grahamnesty this morning. He wants to fight the Russians until the last Ukrainian and Putin must go.

I wonder if anyone has come to grips with the fact that we are in a new Cold War. How can that be walked back politically and economically? And there is the issue of a broken, destroyed Ukraine with millions of Ukrainian refugees scattered throughout Europe and the rest of the world. A new Marshall Plan? Who is going to pay for it. I doubt Russia believes in the Pottery Barn Rule, you broke it, you pay for it.

104 posted on 03/13/2022 11:55:06 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Alas Babylon!

The problems in Ukraine are exactly why we need to stay out. The only reason anyone from the U.S. is interested is because Ukraine was so corrupt. It was a huge laundry.
So, basically, we have a huge gas station:Russia; next to a huge Laundry:Ukraine. Will the problems be solved amicably? Not likely.


119 posted on 03/13/2022 2:05:55 PM PDT by rodguy911 ((FR:home of the free because of the Brave---),ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY: UNTIL IT'S NOT)
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To: Alas Babylon!
My solution to Ukraine is 1. Ukraine vows to not join NATO 2. Ukraine accepts Donbas area previously (before Feb 24, 2022) as part of Russia. 3. Ukraine accepts Crimea as part of Russia. 4. All Russian forces immediate withdrawal from Ukraine identified in 2 & 3 above. 5. NATO promises not to allow Ukraine membership. 6. Russia vows never to invade Ukraine again. 7. All sanctions and arm sales go back to Ante Bellum status.

I have no doubt that some version of your "solution" will eventually prevail. It sure looks like we'll have some sort of divided Ukraine, akin to E vs W Germany or N vs S Korea. The BIG problem, of course, is who/what institution will "enforce" all of the promises?

124 posted on 03/13/2022 2:45:40 PM PDT by CDB ("I'm gonna get them doors open if it harelips everybody on Bear Creek!"--Major Kong)
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