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To: delta7
It's all true. This war is one we created.

We fomented a revolution in 2014 that installed a President illegally and split the country. No wonder Oliver Stone's film is banned if it exposes that.

Then, our puppet President in Ukraine tried to cut off Russian access to the Black Sea at Crimea. Those in Crimea, overwhelming identify as Russian and wanted be part of Russia. But, we claimed Putin invaded and took over Crimea against the will of the people.

Ukraine signed off on the Minsk Agreement, which would have brought peace to the pro-Russian Donbass region. But, Ukraine refused to abide by it and we were perfectly fine with Ukrainian nationals launching an eight-year war that killed 14,000 people.

We promised the Russians no eastward expansion of NATO in the 1990s. We lied. And, then, while arming Ukraine, we hinted that we might let it into NATO.

And, let's not forget the biolabs that, at best, are Wuhan-style labs with dangerous pathogens that endanger all of Eastern Europe.

The "new world order"/neocon foreign policy has aligned Russia with China, resulted in sanctions that are hurting Americans and could, conceivably, start WWIII or nuclear war with Russia.

It's past time we, the people, told our politicians we're not going to accept foreign policy that endangers, rather than protects, the nation.

17 posted on 03/12/2022 3:03:23 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Kazan
Then, our puppet President in Ukraine tried to cut off Russian access to the Black Sea at Crimea

Uh, exactly when did that allegedly happen?

29 posted on 03/12/2022 3:24:05 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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To: Kazan

Who are we to believe, our communists or theirs?


30 posted on 03/12/2022 3:24:16 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: Kazan; All
We promised the Russians no eastward expansion of NATO in the 1990s. We lied. And, then, while arming Ukraine, we hinted that we might let it into NATO.

This is, at least, highly arguable.

The Russians also signed an agreement that NATO could expand indefinitely.

So we have a verifiable agreement in writing, compared to a disputed agreement.

Here is a quote from the above linked article: "Whatever promises about non-enlargement may have been discussed...in 1990, the hard fact is Russia accepted enlargement, with detailed conditions, and in writing, when the NATO-Russia Founding Act was agreed," Ischinger said in an e-mail. "Later Russian claims that different promises had been made in 1990 are therefore simply not relevant. In fact, this is propaganda, and it is in bad faith!"

45 posted on 03/12/2022 3:43:37 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Kazan
Ukraine signed off on the Minsk Agreement, which would have brought peace to the pro-Russian Donbass region. But, Ukraine refused to abide by it and we were perfectly fine with Ukrainian nationals launching an eight-year war that killed 14,000 people.

Excellent post!

Don't forget over 60k people migrated from the Donbass to Russia due to constant fighting since 2014 with either the Nazis or Ukranian militia,its not clear, shelling them, targeting them with snipers, tanks,phosporus and even mining their graveyards so they could not bury their dead.

It's been a deadly war on the Donbass since 2014 just one of three reasons why Putin slowly went into Ukraine to clean it out.

He was right to do so, IMHO.

He needed to secure the Donbass for those who were more aligned with russia than Ukraine get rid of the eleven bio-labs and clean out the nazis. Three key reasons for the invasion.All very noble and clear.

92 posted on 03/13/2022 3:09:01 AM PDT by rodguy911 ((FR:home of the free because of the Brave---),ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY: UNTIL IT'S NOT)
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