Posted on 03/09/2022 11:54:37 AM PST by delta7
Putin was deeply involved in securing the Minsk Agreement long before Zelensky came to power. Although people are calling the current attack on Ukraine unprovoked, Putin attempted to achieve some diplomatic relations with Ukraine regarding the Donbas region and Russian-speaking Ukrainians years ago. Above is a conference in Normandy with Macron, Merkel, Zelensky, and Putin. He directly states that any revision to the Minsk Agreement would “create a situation where nothing can be done.” Putin also points out to Zelensky that 38% of Ukrainian citizens speak Russian. “I would like to point out that 38 percent of Ukrainian citizens regard themselves as Russian speakers. However, all of the so-called Russian schools will convert to the Ukrainian language starting next year. By the way, as far as I know, the other [national minority] schools – Hungarian, Romanian and Polish – are to start the process in 2023. As if there are more Hungarian speakers than Russian speakers in Ukraine. You must admit that this raises questions to which we have no answers.” Putin admitted to Zelensky that he felt his policies were directly targeting Russians in Ukraine. This has been a topic that Putin has discussed countless times over the years. While the media portrays Putin as a madman for wanting to “liberate” Ukraine, his line of thinking has been public knowledge for a long time and may even be masked behind ill-judged good intentions. Zelensky now cries that Putin refuses any diplomatic discussions years after the conversation should have begun. Zelensky declined to meet Putin halfway on any negotiations. He had the unofficial backing of the West as they also wanted to punish Russia and prevent it from becoming a major player on the world stage. No one took Putin or his concerns seriously. The attack on Ukraine is Putin’s response to feeling backed into a corner by Zelensky and his Western “allies.” Putin’s full quote on the matter: “Mr. Zelensky and I have different positions on this issue. Our position is very simple: we stand for the implementation of the Minsk Agreements. The Minsk Agreements say – you can read it for yourself – that Ukraine will be able to start restoring control over that territory, over that section of the border on day one after the local elections. This is what it says. And this process should end after the completion of a comprehensive political settlement. This is what the text of the agreement says. Why should the Minsk Agreements be reopened and revised? All the measures set out in that package are interconnected. If we revise one of them, this will lead to the revision of others and we will lose the agreements and create a situation where nothing can be done. This is our logic, and I believe that it is justified.”
My humble forecast, Zelensky is brought back to the negotiating table by Vlad. Zelensky can stop the war, he has chosen to do otherwise.. War is NEVER the answer. Both sides are corrupted and evil.
Putin was deeply involved in securing the Minsk Agreement long before Zelensky came to power. Although people are calling the current attack on Ukraine unprovoked, Putin attempted to achieve some diplomatic relations with Ukraine regarding the Donbas region and Russian-speaking Ukrainians years ago.
Above is a conference in Normandy with Macron, Merkel, Zelensky, and Putin. He directly states that any revision to the Minsk Agreement would “create a situation where nothing can be done.”
Putin also points out to Zelensky that 38% of Ukrainian citizens speak Russian. “I would like to point out that 38 percent of Ukrainian citizens regard themselves as Russian speakers. However, all of the so-called Russian schools will convert to the Ukrainian language starting next year. By the way, as far as I know, the other [national minority] schools – Hungarian, Romanian and Polish – are to start the process in 2023. As if there are more Hungarian speakers than Russian speakers in Ukraine. You must admit that this raises questions to which we have no answers.”
Putin admitted to Zelensky that he felt his policies were directly targeting Russians in Ukraine. This has been a topic that Putin has discussed countless times over the years.
While the media portrays Putin as a madman for wanting to “liberate” Ukraine, his line of thinking has been public knowledge for a long time and may even be masked behind ill-judged good intentions.
Zelensky now cries that Putin refuses any diplomatic discussions years after the conversation should have begun. Zelensky declined to meet Putin halfway on any negotiations. He had the unofficial backing of the West as they also wanted to punish Russia and prevent it from becoming a major player on the world stage.
No one took Putin or his concerns seriously. The attack on Ukraine is Putin’s response to feeling backed into a corner by Zelensky and his Western “allies.”
Putin’s full quote on the matter: “Mr. Zelensky and I have different positions on this issue. Our position is very simple: we stand for the implementation of the Minsk Agreements. The Minsk Agreements say – you can read it for yourself – that Ukraine will be able to start restoring control over that territory, over that section of the border on day one after the local elections. This is what it says. And this process should end after the completion of a comprehensive political settlement. This is what the text of the agreement says. Why should the Minsk Agreements be reopened and revised? All the measures set out in that package are interconnected. If we revise one of them, this will lead to the revision of others and we will lose the agreements and create a situation where nothing can be done.
“This is our logic, and I believe that it is justified.”
Why did Putin so blatantly ignore the Budapest Memorandum when he invaded Ukraine in 2014?
Putin was the hand behind the DPR/LPR “separatists” and then he pretended to be an objective mediator when it came to negotiating a peace agreement.
The agreement Putin extracted from Ukraine was for (1) de facto self-government for DPR/LPR, so that they can be part of Moscow’s sphere and (2) yet they stay a part of Ukraine so that on behalf of Putin they can block any effort by the rest of Ukraine to join the EU
What’s ironic is Donbas is actually important to Ukraine. For Russia it’s just another backwater industrial region. It would wilt and die in the Russian world.
You know that for a fact
Why did Putin so blatantly ignore the Budapest Memorandum when he invaded Ukraine in 2014?
Putin is a Russian chauvinist at heart. He dreams of USSR 2.0 and feels entitled to rule every inch of the former USSR. Russians consider themselves the Slavic master race. Ukraine is not a real nation and Ukrainians are an untermensch that must be subjugated. There are many similarities here to Hitler’s Germany here, sadly.
Zelensky felt he had the full power of the west behind him, likely because that is the impression we gave him. When things got dicey, however, we hung him out to dry. Finland seems to be the country that offers the best advice on how to straddle the west and Russia. Zelensky needs to get advice from them, and disregard anything he hears from us or Europe.
I wonder who will pay the bill to rebuild Ukraine.
Are you an American chauvinist?
Same group of chumps since 1945, the American taxpaper.
“I wonder who will pay the bill to rebuild Ukraine.”
We are giving them 13.6 Billion in the bill that just passed. So, I am sure the US will have the lion share.
No one claims that Putin is a madman for wanting to "liberate" the Ukraine.
However, believing that he can actually do it under these circumstances, and with the meagre means at hand, and without devastating repercussions, does seem a little, umm, questionable.
Regards,
It's yet another reason why this war was intentionally provoked by Obama/Biden/Blinken/Nuland/Soros/neocons like Lindsey Graham.
How many foreign countries has the Ukraine invaded under Zelensky?
Didn't think so!
Regards,
So, naturally, Putin had no other recourse than to launch a full-scale attack the Ukraine - is that what you are saying?
Question: What would have happened had Putin done nothing in response to these alleged "provocations?"
That's right: Nothing!
Regards,
One, he didn’t invade, he simply didn’t leave Crimea where they have been since 1783. Two, because Budapest was concluded saying the United States, Russia, and Britain committed “to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine”.
We conducted a coup and installed a new government.
At that moment that agreement was abrogated in two ways.
One, the entity with whom Russia was in agreement with ceased to exist after the coup and Russia had no agreement with the new Ukraine.
Two, launching a violent coup with money, organization, and installing “Yats is the guy”, our own guy is not respecting the “independence and sovereignty”. Nor is moving them into NATO.
That’s why it was ignored. Because we did.
Also, Ukraine never had any nukes they controlled from Kiev. The USSR had nukes and controlled them the whole time. The treaty was to decide what happened to them. It’s not like Kiev gave up nukes, it’s more like they were never given them. That was an agreement that stopped Soviet nukes from spreading to every new republic. And thank god. Otherwise Azov would have nukes.
So what? You throw a coup in Kiev that doesn’t mean you own everything the old government owned. This is because everyone else in the country has the same right to grab their own areas by force just like you did.
Anyway, the main reason Donestsk and Lugansk were immediately attacked by Kiev after the coup was to get the Nazis, Azov, and Right Sector militias out of town. The coup government was smart enough to get the street mobs far away and give them something to keep them busy to stop them from turning against them.
If Donbass was important to Ukraine, they wouldn’t screw with them over trivial language laws, push Bandera crap in schools, and surround and shell them.
And Minsk would have been quickly implemented.
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