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In our exchanges you have not supported Ukraine. You have supported the niggling away of their sovereignty AFTER they honored the agreement and gave back nukes.

That's B.S.. I haven't defending Russia or Putin in the slightest. My only point was that the 1994 Budapest memorandum does not obligate the U.S. to go to war if Russia invades. Everyone, including Ukraine, understood that at the time it was signed. So while you may fairly accuse me of making excuses for the United States, I haven't made any for Putin/Russia. They flat-out violated that Memorandum, and it isn't even debatable.

Putin wasn’t deterred by those sanctions. Quit pretending they work. Even Biden’s press secretary said they had no hope sanctions would work, so why do you?

Of course the sanctions didn't deter Putin because Biden didn't impose any sanctions until after the invasion, and still hasn't imposed full sanctions. As soon as the Russians crossed the border, it was too late for "deterrence" by definition. So now, the goal isn't deterrence. The goal is to so damage the Russian economy so severely that Russians other than Putin himself start considering getting rid of Putin before their wealth is destroyed completely.

You wanna do all the stuff that doesn’t work and none of the stuff that does work for “Respecting Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders and refraining from the threat or the use of force against Ukraine.” So yeah, that makes you a PUtin apologist.

So despite me saying this is entirely Putin's fault, that we should send Ukraine every weapon we can, and that we should try to cripple their economy, I'm a "Putin apologist" because I don't want to hand the Ukrainians a bunch of nukes.

You're nuts, buddy.

So despite me saying this is entirely Putin’s fault, that we should send Ukraine every weapon we can,
***Uhh, except nukes, it appears. This whole thing is because of those nukes. And that the Ukes didn’t join NATO. If they had joined, they wouldn’t have been invaded.

and that we should try to cripple their economy, I’m a “Putin apologist” because I don’t want to hand the Ukrainians a bunch of nukes. You’re nuts, buddy.
***Okay, I’ll withdraw my contention that you’re a Putin apologist, you’re just a Putin appeaser. This is only on the basis of our interactions on this thread. When I hold your feet to the fire, scratch the surface, I find an appeaser looking to niggle when we should be looking to do the Nehemiah stand-in-the-gap routine because they denuked. We owe it to them rather than go nitpicky right when it’s time for us to put up or shut up.