Posted on 03/06/2022 3:30:26 PM PST by frithguild
RE: As former US Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor contended in a recent television interview: “I see no reason why we should fight with the Russians over something that they have been talking about for years, [and] we simply chose to ignore… We will not send our forces to fight, but we are urging Ukrainians to die pointlessly in a fight they can’t win. We’re going to create a far greater humanitarian crisis than anything you’ve ever seen if it doesn’t stop.”
I’m not getting what Col. Macgregor is trying to tell us in terms of what policy we should take — it seems he is telling the USA to just do nothing, follow China and abstain from voting against the invasion ( as 135 countries in the world did), and not even lead the world in any sanctions or tell NATO not to supply any arms.
Col. Macgregor, it seems is telling us to just let Russia take Ukraine and get it over with.
2. The US has exerted a policy, basically unchangedsince the 1940's, that has its aim to push Russia back territory in order to mitigate nuclear threat.
3. As part and parcel of this policy, Obama likely funded the Maiden protests (Same money as Occupy Wall Street) and then executed one of the most obvious coups is the history of coups.
https://mate.substack.com/p/by-using-ukraine-to-fight-russia?s=r.
4. Russia has validly perceived that the US policy of receding their borders and conducting a coup in Ukraine as threatening.
5. The area named Ukraine since 1920 and Russia have been the object of some of the most massive and destructive land invasions over the past 1,000 years.
7. US entities have benefitted vastly from the coup and the ensuing corruption.
8. US policy has paid lip service to Ukraine moving out of the Russian orbit, while knowing that it would do nothing to put Ukraine in a military position to do so.
9. The Russians knew that US was giving only lip service to Ukrainian moves to the west.
10. Eastern and southern Ukraine were part of Russia (Novorossiya) for more than 300 years. Novorossiya contains developed manufacturing assets, access to the Black Sea and the largest proportion of Russian primary language speaking population and trading assets (Odessa and the mouth of the Dnieper downstream from Kiev)
11. Biden was the guy that had final say in approving the Maidan coup - having a war during his Presidency is an added bonus.
11. Since 2014, Russia and vastly decreased its dollar holdings and has increased its holdings in gold and other currencies, which gives it far more opportunity to defend its currency.
12. Economic sanctions will hasten trading for oil in Rubles and cut another chink in the US armor of the Doller being the world's reserve currency.
13. Economic sanctions will make it more likely that the Oligarchs will repatriate their assets to Russia.
14. The devaluation of the Ruble and the increase of prices for manufactured goods will provide an opportunity for investment inside of Russia in manufacturing assets. 15. A protracted war will increase oil prices and food prices (due in part to lack of fertilizer now) precipitously for western countries, while Russia will be prepared to survive.
Peace will be accepted on these terms: 1. Zelinski and Neo Nazi (Azov Battalion, etc.) and corruption hung around their necks are out. 2. Ukraine has a constitutional amendment that it is demilitarized and non-alignment with military alliances, specifically NATO (Compare Austria). The claptrap from the US media and politicians - arm Ukraine, send jets and implement a no-fly zone and short sighted and dangerous.
I think Col. Macgregor is saying when you’re in a hole stop digging.
“To guarantee the continuation of its globalist misadventurism, the establishment had to control and limit the political discourse at home. It has done so largely in two ways. The first was to claim monopoly over ‘truth’, and to discredit anyone who might not go along with the endorsed narrative by doubting their patriotism and brandishing them as appeasers, apologists, and/or outright traitors.”
The author Norman Spinrad had a term for this: Official Reality. Anything outside Official Reality was suppressed.
RE: I think Col. Macgregor is saying when you’re in a hole stop digging.
What hole is this? Is putting sanctions in place the hole? Or is doing nothing the hole?
“This is the fake, performative, and internationalist nationalism of the American elite class: they use emotional triggers to rally the people behind the flag of the state in the name of lofty humanitarian causes which mask their own self-importance and narcissistic greatness.”
I thought of Mitt Romney and Lindsey Graham. They do it because it works a lot of the time.
RE: Peace will be accepted on these terms: 1. Zelinski and Neo Nazi (Azov Battalion, etc.) and corruption hung around their necks are out.
What if the Ukrainians STILL vote to keep Zelensky? Does this make Putin the arbiter of what Ukranians want? If so, in what sense is Ukraine still a sovereign country?
2. Ukraine has a constitutional amendment that it is demilitarized and non-alignment with military alliances, specifically NATO (Compare Austria).
This can be negotiated without invading. But Putin does not want to wait.
3. The claptrap from the US media and politicians - arm Ukraine, send jets and implement a no-fly zone and short sighted and dangerous.
You can dispense with this. No country is proposing implementing a no-fly zone. But Putin’s invasion guarantees that NATO will arm Ukraine.
But what should WE, the USA do? should we NOT apply sanctions to Russia?
SAMARITAN’S PURSE
Bypass politics!
RE: SAMARITAN’S PURSE
Obama actually did that. He sent blankets and food to Crimea. So, that’s what we should do in Ukraine then?
Just let Russia walk in and to hell with Ukranians.
A vote to keep Zelinsky? That will never happen after Zelinsky crossed the Rubicon. Novorossiya will be partitioned off. I'm just telling you, as a student of history, what will happen.
This can be negotiated without invading. But Putin does not want to wait
The US policy has consistently been to admit Ukraine to NATO with Ukraine being committed to that by constitutional amendment. The west showed no interest in negotiating on that because "Putin" (All 200,000 of him) is bad - all the sophistication as orange man bad. So the west got the war they asked for.
But Putin’s invasion guarantees that NATO will arm Ukraine.
And provoke a nuclear power without a mandate in your charter that permits it. No.
I think the Col. Described the hole pretty well - maybe read it again, sir. So to answer your question, yes, impose sanctions and boycott the Olympics or some such symbolic thing just like Jimmy Carter. Biden picked a fight in 2014 and our policy kept a thumb in 100,000 of Putin's 200,000 eyes. When the fight we picked started we let Ukraine get the snot beat out of it like the woke pussies we are.
The author Norman Spinrad had a term for this:
Official Reality.
Anything outside Official Reality was suppressed.
“Does this make Putin the arbiter of what Ukranians want? If so, in what sense is Ukraine still a sovereign country?”
In the sense that we chose their guy before also.
“Yats is the guy”
Nuland
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4044304/posts?page=1
And as for “This can be negotiated without invading. But Putin does not want to wait”. Putin did not let DC do their plan of using pointless negotiations to buy time for them to change facts on the ground. That’s why he gave them a reasonable 90 day timeframe for an agreement and concrete action.
We flipped them the finger and gave them the letter saying we would not honor a single request, but we would negotiate about other things we thought were worth discussing.
So he did the sensible thing and decided to act. No point talking to a brick wall or a determined idiot.
RE: In the sense that we chose their guy before also.
So, you’re saying Zelensky was elected in the same manner Biden was elected and Ukrainians really wanted a pro-Russian President but got cheated in the same manner Trump was cheated? Where’s the evidence of that?
Probably. Ukraine is utterly corrupt, Soros probably funded him. Zelinski has shut down two opposition TV stations and imprisoned his opponent.
And last, I am an American. I do not walk around with the slightest patriotic loyalty to Ukraine and will not be buffaloed into doing so.
We don’t have to get involved in the war, but accusations of cheating require evidence. Just because the Russians said he cheated does not necessarily make it so.
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/04/nazis-ukrainian-war-russia/
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