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Canadian Senate Debate on Emergency Measure
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Posted on 02/22/2022 4:25:03 PM PST by marktwain

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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
"I don't think it took a huge number of brain cells to know that this was going to turn out badly"

So what?
That is irrelevant...

You would have probably said the same thing if you had been at Lexington Green or the Concord Bridge...

41 posted on 02/22/2022 5:31:34 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another Sam Adams now that we desperately need him?)
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To: SoConPubbie; moovova; toddausauras; Jane Long
You guys are all letting emotional romanticism get ahead of reality.

If you had been around in Revolutionary War days, you'd be sitting on the sidelines pointing out how many times Washington lost battles and complaining about how impossible the effort was.

There aren't any shooting battles, and there is no shooting war. The Canadian government has -- very unfortunately - majority support. Washington fought real battles and a real war against a non-representative foreign occupier, with a goal of actual independence. Meeting the enemy on the literal field of battle, with the goal of shooting and killing so many of them that the British would eventually leave.

Do any of you guys seriously think Canada and these truckers are anywhere near that same point of declaring independence and starting to kill each other? Because I sure don't. More importantly, the truckers themselves aren't, and deliberately disavowed any form of violent resistance. Analogizing that to the American Revolution is simply ridiculous when the participants themselves don't even want to fight anyone.

My point is that if you want to resist, it has to be done intelligently and strategically, which means having a good understanding of exactly what you can accomplish, and how far you are truly willing to go. Otherwise, you may just do something that accomplishes absolutely nothing concrete other than potentially discrediting your point, and perhaps ruining your own life in the process. It's easy for us keyboard warriors to cheer it on, but the truth is that some of those truckers will see their family's livelihoods ruined. And while that may well be an acceptable price to pay if you actually accomplish something tangible, they didn't.

It's like the Jan 6 protestors who actually broke into the Capitol building,(as opposed to those who didn't). They got in...and then had absolutely no idea what they were trying to do. They wandered around, took some photos, and then left. The lamest "insurrection" in history that accomplished nothing other than to ruin some of their own lives, and to hand the left a political issue that divides conservatives.

Know what you are trying to accomplish before you start, have a plan that can reasonably accomplish those goals, and then execute it. But engaging in protests when you haven't thought ahead of time of how you can actually "win" is just...naive.

I am not against fighting back. You just have to think out your damn strategy before you start doing things that can't be undone.

42 posted on 02/22/2022 5:40:08 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

Good analysis


43 posted on 02/22/2022 5:43:25 PM PST by ZULU (HOOVER, FREEH, MUELLER, COMEY, WRAY, SUCCESSION OF STATISTS)
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To: marktwain

In the very unlikely case the Canadian Senate votes to rescind the Emergencies Act invocation, the Tyrant Trudeau will move to abolish the Senate and reimpose the Emergencies Act. Anything short of a no-confidence vote is meaningless against him.


44 posted on 02/22/2022 5:46:34 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: SuperLuminal
Well...no. Because back then those American people were ready to begin an actual shooting war to fight for independence. The time was right, and the colonies were ready to go all the way to throw off the yoke of the King and Parliament. That's when it makes sense to provoke because you're willing to go all the way.

Canada isn't anywhere remotely near that point.

That distinction is everything.

45 posted on 02/22/2022 5:47:15 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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To: ZULU

Too many people confuse “good, honorable intentions” with something actually being a good idea. The Children’s Crusade is a nice historical example of what can go horribly wrong with that kind of crappy, emotion-driven reasoning.


46 posted on 02/22/2022 5:50:19 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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To: billorites

I thought Canadians were hosers.


47 posted on 02/22/2022 5:50:50 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Why would I talk to a chin?


48 posted on 02/22/2022 6:09:05 PM PST by vivenne (")
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

The plan is in place. US and Canada have agreed already to become one.


49 posted on 02/22/2022 6:12:22 PM PST by sanjuanbob
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Like many are doing with Trump, you are choosing to look the gift horse in the mouth, rather than appreciating the fact you even got one.


50 posted on 02/22/2022 6:12:49 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: vivenne
Because the knee won't listen?

Other than that, I got nothing.

51 posted on 02/22/2022 6:17:45 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Well done. Very well done.


52 posted on 02/22/2022 6:24:03 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: dfwgator

If the horse is kicking me in the nuts instead of getting me where I’m trying to go, you’re damn right I’m not going to be happy about it.


53 posted on 02/22/2022 6:31:22 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Guys like you piss me off.
Don’t do anything people will call us names and we might get a bad reputation.

We get called Nazis, Racists, Sexists, and Environmental Destroyers, regardless of how moderate we are. Doesn’t matter if its the 1960’s, 1970’s, 1980’s,1990’s, 2000’s,2010’s, or the 2020’s.

Just the same old song & dance, no matter the era.

IMO you’re a Good Freeper with zero answers or solutions for the United States in 2022.


54 posted on 02/22/2022 6:35:25 PM PST by unclebankster (Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel)
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To: sanjuanbob

“The plan is in place. US and Canada have agreed already to become one.”

It sure looks that way since every Anglosphere nation is controlled by college educated left wing control freaks.

With an over emphasis on crybaby grievance groups getting revenge on a history they can’t understand and never will understand.(They aren’t smart enough or intellectual enough)

Grievance groups are full of stupid people of all races, religions, and genders.


55 posted on 02/22/2022 6:43:52 PM PST by unclebankster (Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel)
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To: unclebankster
Guys like you piss me off.

Right back at you, sport. Guys like you are exactly the problem with the overall philosophy of the left, and with certain conservatives who act before they think. You do what makes you feel better rather than considering if it actually works. You like seeing the truckers out there, it lets you vent your emotions ("Yeah! We showed them!!"), and then you never stopped to consider that it didn't accomplish squat.

But then actually accomplishing anything isn't very important to you, is it? You're fine with purely symbolic gestures that don't change a damn thing as long as they make you feel better. Pathetic.

How about if they'd done something like this instead: Block traffic for one day just to get attention, then call a truckers strike and quit delivering stuff to the leftist-run cities. No blockage, no obstructions...just don't deliver. That is much harder for the government to fight, and might actually have accomplished something.

56 posted on 02/22/2022 6:45:07 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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To: marktwain

There is no reasonable or rational or legal basis for invoking this.

It can only be for nefarious totalitarian reasons.


57 posted on 02/22/2022 6:47:49 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

“How about if they’d done something like this instead: Block traffic for one day just to get attention, then call a truckers strike and quit delivering stuff to the leftist-run cities. No blockage, no obstructions...just don’t deliver. That is much harder for the government to fight, and might actually have accomplished something.”

Good points.

That might actually be more effective.

Boycott the urban areas without actually disrupting transportation routes.


58 posted on 02/22/2022 6:52:08 PM PST by unclebankster (Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel)
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To: ifinnegan

I think they just have a rather visceral hatred of those who place a priority on individual liberty, and this was their chance to vent that hatred. I imagine they’ll feel rather smug when this is all done that they nailed the people they just don’t like. Nice conversation at their cocktail parties and in the little progressive coffee shops.


59 posted on 02/22/2022 7:08:28 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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To: unclebankster

That’s all I’m saying. Think strategically about what has the best chance of working. We too often are so ticked off by the left that we react emotionally, and that can result in missed opportunities.


60 posted on 02/22/2022 7:10:19 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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