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To: elpadre

https://www.rt.com/news/549921-nato-expansion-russia-document/

Putin was right, Stoltenberg was wrong: NATO “brazenly deceived” Russia about expansion and a British document proves it

A newly discovered document from March 1991 shows US, UK, French, and German officials discussing a pledge made to Russia that NATO will not expand to Poland and beyond. Its publication by the German magazine Der Spiegel on Friday proves Moscow right and NATO wrong on the matter.

The minutes of a March 6, 1991 meeting in Bonn between political directors of the foreign ministries of the US, UK, France, and Germany contain multiple references to “2+4” talks on German unification in which the West made it “clear” to the Soviet Union that NATO will not expand past the eastern borders of Germany.

“We made it clear to the Soviet Union – in the 2+4 talks, as well as in other negotiations – that we do not intend to benefit from the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Eastern Europe,” the document quotes US Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Canada Raymond Seitz.
“NATO should not expand to the east, either officially or unofficially,” Seitz added.

A British representative also mentions the existence of a “general agreement” that membership of NATO for eastern European countries is “unacceptable.”
“We had made it clear during the 2+4 negotiations that we would not extend NATO beyond the Elbe,” said West German diplomat Juergen Hrobog. “We could not therefore offer Poland and others membership in NATO.”

The minutes later clarified he was referring to the Oder River, the boundary between East Germany and Poland. Hrobog further noted that West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl and Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher had agreed with this position as well.

The document was found in the UK National Archives by Joshua Shifrinson, a political science professor at Boston University in the US. It had been marked “Secret” but was declassified at some point.

Shifrinson tweeted on Friday he was “honored” to work with Der Spiegel on the document showing that “Western diplomats believed they had indeed made a NATO non-enlargement pledge.”


9 posted on 02/18/2022 8:14:30 PM PST by EasySt (Say not this is the truth, but so it seems to me to be, as I see this thing I think I see.#MAGA)
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To: EasySt
Putin was right.

Putin is wrong. First there is NO treaty. Second, Gorbachev himself admitted that the talks with Baker were about German unification, and that the agreement was non-German troops would not be stationed in the former east Germany.

19 posted on 02/19/2022 4:03:32 AM PST by tlozo
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To: EasySt
“We could not therefore offer Poland and others membership in NATO.”

As I understand it..the western powers did not OFFER membership in NATO...those countries freely requested it.

I don't recall any of the "Warsaw Pact" freely requesting to join it...they were forced at gunpoint into it...as Putin is trying to do once again.

21 posted on 02/19/2022 4:14:40 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (Not Responding to Seagull Snark)
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