Posted on 02/18/2022 9:46:27 AM PST by Kevmo
The purpose of this post is to promote discussion of Ukrainian accession to NATO as a way to engage an aggressive neutrality in their local region.
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Russia Ukraine conflict 2022 Conservapedia page https://www.conservapedia.com/Russia_Ukraine_conflict_2022
The Russia-Ukraine conflict of 2022 included reports by the liberal media that Russia -- which Leftists despite because it opposes the homosexual agenda and is pro-life -- would attack Ukraine on February 16, 2022, which did not happen.[1]
At issue is the Culture War as liberals in the West attempt to extend their agenda into Ukraine, which was formerly a member of the Soviet Union adjacent to Russia. Gay pride marches have been held in Ukraine in defiance of the conservative values in Russia. Suggestions of Ukraine even joining NATO, an alliance initially established to oppose the Soviet Union, have further suggested encroachment on the traditionally Russia-aligned nation.
Ukraine's president is a comedian and the nation is exploited by a small group of billionaire oligarchs.
References https://www.voanews.com/a/on-day-russia-was-meant-to-invade-ukrainians-go-about-their-affairs/6443905.html
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Since the Conservapedia article references joining NATO, here is their NATO page
North Atlantic Treaty Organization (Redirected from NATO) https://www.conservapedia.com/North_Atlantic_Treaty_Organization
Under Barack Hussein Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton, the Black African slave trade was restored by NATO in Africa.[1] The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) is a military alliance initially founded in 1949 to combat the spread of communism in Central Europe from the Soviet Union, but has since become a promoter of globalism and the liberal social agenda.
Since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, NATO has departed immensely from its original purpose. Once a bulwark against Soviet communism, it is now a bulwark of globalism,[2] neoconservatism, Islamism, imperialism, and promoter of the homosexual agenda. President Donald Trump was highly critical of how the United States has been saddled with the bulk of the cost throughout its history while Europe has not paid its agreed upon mandated share of defense costs.
NATO is not "the world's policeman"; neither is it an enforcement arm or extension of the United Nations.
NATO's official website states its political motive under Orwellian language: "NATO promotes democratic values and enables members to consult and cooperate on defence and security-related issues to solve problems, build trust and, in the long run, prevent conflict."[3] Since the end of the Cold War, NATO has waged two wars of aggression, one against Serbia to carve out the state of Kosovo, and another in Libya which resulted in chaos and the return of the slave trade in Black Africans. Its current secretary is Jens Stoltenberg of Norway.
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Ukraine–NATO relations From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93NATO_relations
Ukraine-NATO relations Map indicating locations of NATO and Ukraine
Relations between Ukraine and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) started in 1992.[1] Ukraine applied to begin a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) in 2008.[2][3] Plans for NATO membership were shelved by Ukraine following the 2010 presidential election in which Viktor Yanukovych, who preferred to keep the country non-aligned, was elected President.[4][5] Amid the Euromaidan unrest, Yanukovych fled Ukraine in February 2014.[6] The interim Yatseniuk Government which came to power initially said, with reference to the country's non-aligned status, that it had no plans to join NATO.[7] However, following the Russian military invasion in Ukraine and parliamentary elections in October 2014, the new government made joining NATO a priority.[8] On 21 February 2019, the Constitution of Ukraine was amended, the norms on the strategic course of Ukraine for membership in the European Union and NATO are enshrined in the preamble of the Basic Law, three articles and transitional provisions.[9][10]
At the June 2021 Brussels Summit, NATO leaders reiterated the decision taken at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance with the Membership Action Plan (MAP) as an integral part of the process and Ukraine's right to determine its own future and foreign policy, of course without outside interference.[11] NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg also stressed that Russia will not be able to veto Ukraine's accession to NATO, as we will not return to the era of spheres of interest, when large countries decide what smaller ones should do.[12]
According to polls conducted between 2005 and 2013, Ukrainian public support of NATO membership remained low.[13][14][15][16][17][18][19] However, since Russo-Ukrainian War and Annexation of Crimea, public support for Ukrainian membership in NATO has risen greatly. Since June 2014, polls showed that about 50% of those asked supported Ukrainian NATO membership.[20][21][22][23] Some 69% of Ukrainians want to join NATO, according to a June 2017 poll by the Democratic Initiatives Foundation, compared to 28% support in 2012 when Yanukovych was in power.[24]
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Russia Ukraine conflict 2022 Conservapedia page https://www.conservapedia.com/Russia_Ukraine_conflict_2022
North Atlantic Treaty Organization (Redirected from NATO) https://www.conservapedia.com/North_Atlantic_Treaty_Organization
Ukraine–NATO relations From Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%E2%80%93NATO_relations
Ukraine should not be a part of NATO.
Pursuing that amounts to pursuing war with Russia.
Pursuing appeasement against the local small-time bully over Sudetenland ended up costing tens of millions of lives across the globe.
If all of this unleashes into a war, it should be called Joes War.
Appeasement DID eventually unleash into a war, it should be called Chamberlain’s War. But we just called it WWII.
Actually it started when the French refused to fire on the German troops retaking The Rhineland.
Please put that in context of:
1) what you would have wanted done then
2) what you want done now and how you feel that will play out in regards to the countries involved
If Europe wants to handle it, fine! We shouldn’t be involved.
I do not want Ukraine in NATO, because it is a corrupt basket case (some pretty women, though).
China is a FAR bigger threat than Russia.
Biden’s approval rating will improve 1 percent/10K casualties.
“Actually it started when the French refused to fire on the German troops retaking The Rhineland.”
Pretty much so.
Why would Russia allow a hostile military alliance position troops and missiles on its immediate border if it could prevent it? Biden could defuse this powderkeg anytime he chooses by simply making it clear that Ukraine will never be part of NATO. Yet the neocon globalists will not allow an end to this conflict. As the article suggests, they despise a post communist, Christian, nationalistic Russia that embraces its heritage and scoffs at globalism and its goals. Also Americans should reflect a bit on what the Russians have done. If the Russians had not fought so tenaciously, heroically, and with great sacrifice to decimate the best of the German army, how many Americans would exist today? Try to imagine the casualties their fathers and grandfathers would have suffered if they would have had to fight a largely intact German army to liberate europe.
“Ukraine should not be a part of NATO. Pursuing that amounts to pursuing war with Russia.”
Screw Russia. Whether or no Ukraine joins NATO is up to Ukraine and NATO, not Moscow.
Perhaps you missed it but Russia is also demanding that NATO expel from membership all of the former Soviet slave states as a precondition for peace. Which utterly underlines the need for NATO in the first place!
In case you missed it here are Russia’s eight demands to NATO from their December 10, 2021 letter:
Article 1: the parties should not strengthen their security at the expense of Russia’s security;
Article 2: the parties will use multilateral consultations and the NATO-Russia Council to address points of conflict;
Article 3: the parties reaffirm that they do not consider each other as adversaries and maintain a dialogue;
Article 4: the parties shall not deploy military forces and weaponry on the territory of any of the other states in Europe in addition to any forces that were deployed as of May 27, 1997;
Article 5: the parties shall not deploy land-based intermediate- and short-range missiles adjacent to the other parties;
Article 6: all member States of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization commit themselves to refrain from any further enlargement of NATO, including the accession of Ukraine as well as other States;
Article 7: the parties that are member States of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization shall not conduct any military activity on the territory of Ukraine as well as other States in the Eastern Europe, in the South Caucasus and in Central Asia; and
Article 8: the agreement shall not be interpreted as affecting the primary responsibility of the Security Council of the United Nations for maintaining international peace and security.
Please put that in context of: 1) what you would have wanted done then
***You send in armies to fight off German annexation of Sudetenland. Local, regional small conflict that ends all the aggression which was essentially encouraged by the appeasement.
2) what you want done now
***Sign a piece of paper and wave it around. That piece of paper would be allowing Ukraine into NATO with plans for an aggressive neutrality.
and how you feel that will play out in regards to the countries involved
***I feel? I feel it will play out in the worst way rather than in the simplest and easiest and most-neutral way. Joe will continue to encourage “small incursions” and aggression on the part of the local bully who has already invaded and annexed part of Ukraine. I feel it WOULD play out a lot differently if Ukraine was allowed into NATO with a well defined neutrality stance.
Then you’d be okay if Europe allowed Ukraine into NATO?
If the US is out of NATO, sure. Let them defend themselves for once, instead of on our dime.
If they're worried about Russia invading Ukraine then they're worried about a sweet illegal money pot being tipped over. And if Russia wants to invade Ukraine to stop this then I'm all for it....
Warmongering globalists want to turn a cold war hot so they can get excited about every death.
They are macabre rabid monkeys playing wargames from their armchairs.
I do not want Ukraine in NATO, because it is a corrupt
***All the nations in NATO are corrupt. They’re just less corrupt than the local bully, Russia. For now.
basket case (some pretty women, though).
***Again, that could be said about all the European nations in NATO.
China is a FAR bigger threat than Russia.
***Red herring. Whataboutism. Logical fallacy.
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