“Fact is, Trump got 12 million more votes than he got in 2016, and Biden got 15 million more than did Hillary. So unless we’re saying there was massive fraud on Trump’s end too...”
Wow. You must not been paying attention during the campaign. The demented barely functioning Biden could not draw a crowd of 50 people when he left his basement. He insulted blacks every chance he got and had Klan buddies.
There were boat parades of 50,000 in Tampa harbor for Trump. I personally seen a convoy of cars 20 miles long for Trump on I75 in Florida. Biden’s convoy in Florida was 35 cars. Every Trump rally had over 35,000 people. In spite of the news, Trump was popular, he achieved great things, so of course he was going to get more votes than when he outsider.
But, the silliest thing you might have said is that there must have been voter fraud on Trump’s end. You do realize that over 90% of Trump’s votes were on election day or in person voting where ID was required. Far different from the massive mail-in ballot stuffing/harvesting voter fruad.
You can explain away the big picture (easier to vote), but if you take a magnifying glass and look at the totals and voter dumps the results are statistically impossible for Biden.
“That is very difficult to do, especially when a lot of that evidence was destroyed, or based solely on testimony.”
Most people are convicted on circumstantial evidence. Cumulative evidence is as good as direct proof. If someone said, these totals are impossible and the evidence was destroy to keep it from being proven. I would believe those numbers were impossible.
Of course he couldn't. To the extent there was any enthusiasm for Biden himself, it likely would have been from an older demographic that wasn't going to attend rallies anyway.
But more importantly, I know a fair number of people who voted for Biden, and not a one of them was thrilled with the guy. So of course they weren't going to attend rallies. They voted for Biden because they hated Trump, and a lot of them were extremely hyped up for that. Biden was nominated precisely because he was the most inoffensive Dem nominee -- not because he was the most inspiring. He was the least likely to alienate potential Dem voters (unlike Hillary), and therefore the perfect vehicle for a pure anti-Trump vote.
Trump is one of the most polarizing candidates in American history, and that boosted turnout both for and against. I do think there was some illegal vote-stuffing on the Democrat side, but not enough truly hard evidence to quantify it sufficiently.
And I didn't say Trump voters committed fraud. The point was that if you are going to look at variations from historical voting patterns as evidence of fraud, then Trump varied from those patterns as well, and so should be suspected of fraud. I don't buy that, though, for the reasons I gave.